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Good Morning,sorry that the post appeared to be a toolboxtalk,it is a post to open up genuine debate and raise the profile of raised issues with the NASC.
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scaffy 1980
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Good morning,we are speaking as an active Member and one that does believe that you can shape policy,we also seek to understand why the NASC is such an emotive issue for some Forum members and this post has raised many issues that we will bring up at the next opportunity at Council.
What you seem to forget Trad is that a hell of a lot of companies surpass NASC criteria and feel no need to join as the NASC has little to offer them.
And before you start mentioning all the MC's that pledged to use NASC only, it didn't happen did it?
And before you start mentioning all the MC's that pledged to use NASC only, it didn't happen did it?
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TRAD Recruitment
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Good morning,obviously your views are regretable but we will continue to respond positivly to any posts you may make in the future,kind regards TRAD.Civility....your being spoken to and treated with as much contempt and disdain as you have given out....we dont recognise you as representing us....we see you as a parasite, serving only yourselves at the top as the ridiculous so called safety concerns you bring to light are merely to further your own aims and not backed up by statistical fact.....as gor trad deck shall we get into that...three sites I was on had accidents and I replaced the lot with birdcages......to look down and dismiss what im saying from a perceived higher level by saying its uncivil is just avoiding your own denial or worse.....your full of uncivilised sh1te !....
I treat you with contempt and do not recognise you at all as having anything valid to cpntribute to scaffolding in general....the arab spring showed democracies that true freedom of speech can ultimately mean not sitting around the table with people who only twist squirm and force their way into power.....your a disgrace of an organisation .!
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I agree and many of them are our Clients as I have stated before but we believe it can benifit any Company, you need to get involved to join the platform for debate and have a vote,its similiar to complaining about the Government and its policies when you didnt vote at the election for your own party !
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Thank you,we will raise it at Council at the next opportunity.
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I can't sleep either. Any comment on the above?
No comparison at all, a very disappointing reply.
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Yes a politicians cop out. And poor spelling as well.
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Trad's Swifty not yours.
joebag
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Your patronising,Condesending and do the politicians sh1te of pointing with your thumb not your finger.
welcome questions....change misconseptions..... do you really believe we are that thick....my guess is some half arsed pr company has given you two lessons in damage limitation and raise your profile amongst the peasants.....
Your are not fit for purpose...you are self serving and your aims are not to improve safety or working practise amongst scaffs otherwise these methods you put forward would be welcomed and understood by a lot more of the blokes on here....we see right through you...and in this climate your a dying entity.....thats what happens when the blood runs dry you parasite !!!!!!
welcome questions....change misconseptions..... do you really believe we are that thick....my guess is some half arsed pr company has given you two lessons in damage limitation and raise your profile amongst the peasants.....
Your are not fit for purpose...you are self serving and your aims are not to improve safety or working practise amongst scaffs otherwise these methods you put forward would be welcomed and understood by a lot more of the blokes on here....we see right through you...and in this climate your a dying entity.....thats what happens when the blood runs dry you parasite !!!!!!
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Sorry to disappoint Swifty but sometimes you just have to state the obvious.
joebag
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Two joiners ...one brickie....a fookin site agent went thtough trad deck....why because they beefed up the kn rating and had brickies loading up the party walls with block not thermalites....
Strangely enough the zip ties and cloth straps that held this 2kn rated platform together gave way and luckily for the site agent the boards put across the gap in the stairwell by moi saved his life..no proping underneath either to transfer the load through.....answer that clegg!
Strangely enough the zip ties and cloth straps that held this 2kn rated platform together gave way and luckily for the site agent the boards put across the gap in the stairwell by moi saved his life..no proping underneath either to transfer the load through.....answer that clegg!
Fair play to Trad for being the only large company to come on this forum and have a voice. We've all made daft posts on this forum and I think Trad may regret this one. Trying to convince this forum that the NASC is beneficial to the industry and is a misunderstood organisation is like trying to convince us that Ian Brady is actually an all round good egg, and is misunderstood. Lets not drive them away as they will be useful and potentially an important part of this forum.
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Thank you for your support,we have no regret in this post as it has raised genuine issues that we will seek to address with the NASC,we may be successful and we may not but at least Forum Members have been given a voice,there are obviously a lot of Companies that would be welcomed as members but would not apply given the points made and grievances held so hopefully some good will come of it.
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Hi Swifty,we will respond to all relevant to unanswered posts very shortly as I stated this morning,once these have gone there is probably little else we may add on what is obviously a very contentious subject for the Forum members.
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Good morning in response to your post we reply as follows
A) Scaffstep our Health and Safety Dept will post our view on how we operate with the Step and not the Advanced Guardrail.
B) The NASC would probably be the first to accept now that TG20/08 caused many issues for their own members and the industry in general but the European standard EN 12811 posed many difficult challenges on interpretation. As you are no doubt aware TG20/13 is due to be published shortly and we have studied a draft copy, both our Contract staff and Health & Safety Dept consider it an excellent document and it has addressed many of the issues that TG20/08 created, you will not be disappointed.
C) With regard to flouting of rules we cannot speak for all members but assure you that TRAD does not.
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Good afternoon, the statistics you refer to are from the NASC itself and are available in various formats.
As you are aware we have been members of the NASC for many years but not active in the various committees or council until some eighteen months ago.
Given that TRAD Scaffolding is based and trades for the most part in London the ECITB issue would not have been debated in the London region and therefore we are not informed enough to respond independently.
We will raise this issue at the next NASC council meeting to be held in October along with other matters that forum members have raised and either the NASC will respond directly or we will if they elect otherwise.
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Good afternoon, there are approximately 215 companies that are members of the NASC representing somewhere in the region of 60 to 70% of the access spend in the UK. There is no data available to establish how many registered companies there are but an educated guess based on our own client base would suggest somewhere in the region of 1500 to 2000 combining both registered Companies and sole traders.
The NASC expel member companies that do not comply with the rules following an audit but they are first given an opportunity to address the non-conformances over typically a 6 month period.
In 2012, 4 companies were expelled.
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Good Afternoon, yes probably on balance when you view the T/O ratio of the membership to the number of companies in and those non-members it can be seen as poor representation, hence why more companies should apply to join.
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Good Afternoon Rigger
In reply to why are we expressing the views of the NASC as you are no doubt aware TRAD has been a member for many years and has probably questioned on a regular basis if being members was of any benefit to us given as it was for many years an old boys club controlled by the Nationals as rightly perceived by others.
However, in the last 10 years and the last 5 in particular there have been significant changes in relation to policy and the make-up of the governing council and members who now represent a much wider section of the industry.
As a result of this we have adopted a more involved role with the Committees and the Council and we do sincerely believe that we have a voice in shaping policy for the industry as a whole.
Whether we like it or not the UKCG and the HSE perceive the NASC as being the regulatory body for the Scaffolding industry and the greater the number of members will make it more representative of the industry as a whole, which is why we believe being a member is beneficial.
In relation to the propaganda you refer to we accept that a number of the points perhaps particularly in relation to but not exclusively.
- Reputation
- No Code
- No Support
- No Expertise
With respect we have not told you or any forum member what they may or not post, it was not and is not our intention we expect to be seen as an equal voice. We do not expect any special privileges because we are a Sponsor.
We have sponsored the forum because we wish to raise the profile of our organisation, to assist in recruitment and to share Health & Safety best practice and we hope to achieve this by assisting the forum membership wherever we can.
My apologies for taking so long to reply but a quick of the cuff reply would not have been appropriate should you wish us to raise any further issues with the NASC please let us know.
Kind regards
TRAD
TomP
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Trad,
I don't know whether this is possible or has been asked previously, but, i will ask it anyway.....
Would it be possible for a member company of the NASC who's based on the committee to liaise with the SCCR or similar or has this already happened?
I understand it may be frowned upon by NASC, but, I feel that if NASC is to be the trade body, us at the work end could do with some direction/guidance and to sit down and have a reasonable chat about what scaffolding needs.
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I know this is where people say we should join, but at present, our company is not in a position to join and I don't believe we will be for approx. 3 years,
I don't know whether this is possible or has been asked previously, but, i will ask it anyway.....
Would it be possible for a member company of the NASC who's based on the committee to liaise with the SCCR or similar or has this already happened?
I understand it may be frowned upon by NASC, but, I feel that if NASC is to be the trade body, us at the work end could do with some direction/guidance and to sit down and have a reasonable chat about what scaffolding needs.
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I know this is where people say we should join, but at present, our company is not in a position to join and I don't believe we will be for approx. 3 years,
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Thank you, its is not a hole but it is a window that has highlighted much that needs to be considered by the NASC Officers and Council and lets not forget that TRAD is one of 215 Member Companies not the NASC itself ! but we are happy to take these views forward on behalf of the Forum members.
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I am not aware if the matter has been considered or not but I will raise it at the next Council meeting,what particular advice do you need ? we could possibly help or at least point you in the right direction,regards TRAD
bigfish
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This forum is a great source for feedback that the nasc would do well to heed,it's a shame they wont elect a member to join(or have they taken that step already Trad?)us non members are still part of the industry and as such it's only logical that the nasc embrace the industry as a whole,then again the cynics amongst us might think that if everyone was under the nasc banner,prices for nasc registered company's would be driven down by market forces..........mmm,food for thought