Garry Adams
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dico
PMSL---aye, a double pike and back flip right in to the nearest Pub :wacko:
PMSL---aye, a double pike and back flip right in to the nearest Pub :wacko:
Ecitb scaffs tkt
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celticbhoy
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some men look at the world in mathamatics ie percentages and the like i find i very hard to comprehend someone who takes the unknowen and then starts to map out a mathamatical explanation of that said mystery,when in fact he should obtain factual data to 1st support his claims.in the case of mr hawkins im afraid nobody dare take the risk of a fact finding mission to where his claims lie,all in all he is using mathamatical equations of this realm to describe the workings of a realm nobody knows anything of and for that matter may never.
celticbhoy
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im afraid the 3board inside natter has gone galactic,sorry lads.
Garry Adams
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Celticbhoy
Very profound and would expect nothing less from a Bro' Scaffolder
Chase the peril of wisdom
Square the Circle
Very profound and would expect nothing less from a Bro' Scaffolder
Chase the peril of wisdom
Square the Circle
Celticbhoy, You've got to be a bit of a space cadet to be a scaff, lol.
celticbhoy
Moderator
exactly gar finite moves could not prove such an equation just as mr hawkins will never prove his data,excellent similar point mate.
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lol to true brandy.
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lol to true brandy.
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ragscaff
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On all three meeting with the HSE this was brought up as a major issue.
The scaffolder has to walk around in a full body harness which is last resort, we now have to balance on ladders to put in advanced rails.
Yet other trades can please them selves when they come across a brace in the way, a tie in the wall or a handrail that restricts them loading out the independent scaffold as opposed to walking a bit further to the loading bay!!!
The HSE cannot class the removal of ties as reportable due to the fact it can't be policed :wacko:
All we can do is try & educate the main contractors, this is something we are working on now with a poster campaign as a start, which will be backed by the HSE.
Stewart Quinney
celticbhoy
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balfour bovis galliford are the contractors on the olympic sites who do remove people who interfer with scaffolding zero tolarence rule,and to give them a pat on the back i have seen many trades put off the job for such acts,i belive we are going in the right direction on this issue.
Garry Adams
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ragscaff
It really beggars belief that the HSE cannot create and implement strategy to combat non-compliance of which in effect is a Breach of the Guarding Regs.
One would not expect a Saw Mill to operate without the required Guarding Regime to be in place.
It really beggars belief that the HSE cannot create and implement strategy to combat non-compliance of which in effect is a Breach of the Guarding Regs.
One would not expect a Saw Mill to operate without the required Guarding Regime to be in place.
happyhugenoet
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i have long advocated that scaffold users should be given inductions into the appreciation of scaffolders and scaffolding,ie no tampering.
on the subject of ties being removed lyndons have a tie tag which highlights the fact t6hat the tube is in fact a tie,a very good idea from a progressive company
on the subject of ties being removed lyndons have a tie tag which highlights the fact t6hat the tube is in fact a tie,a very good idea from a progressive company
Garry Adams
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Celticbhoy
Got to say that there are several Principal Contractor employ a policy of zero tolerance---the Oil and Gas Sector have implemented this Safety Culture for quite some time as you know---
Perhaps the Human Factor should be looked at in a more in depth manner---why do Operatives remove component parts ect, ect---
As ragscaff has eluded too, there is to be launched a Poster Campaign to educate offenders, however, ignorance is no defense in Law.
Pressure is a factor, when the Operative is has to make his wages in price ect, he will remove any object that stops him from achieving a living wage, therefore, the Principal Contractor must shoulder some responsibility in some respect.
Got to say that there are several Principal Contractor employ a policy of zero tolerance---the Oil and Gas Sector have implemented this Safety Culture for quite some time as you know---
Perhaps the Human Factor should be looked at in a more in depth manner---why do Operatives remove component parts ect, ect---
As ragscaff has eluded too, there is to be launched a Poster Campaign to educate offenders, however, ignorance is no defense in Law.
Pressure is a factor, when the Operative is has to make his wages in price ect, he will remove any object that stops him from achieving a living wage, therefore, the Principal Contractor must shoulder some responsibility in some respect.
happyhugenoet
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garry as long as the culprit is a self employed man as is the case on the majority of building sites the main contractor will wash his hands of him.
the best way i think to moveaway from this type of behaviour is to to end the price work culture,which is non existant in the oil and gas sector.
i beleive that is because there is a higher level of union membership in that sector leading to less bullying by employers and contractors
the best way i think to moveaway from this type of behaviour is to to end the price work culture,which is non existant in the oil and gas sector.
i beleive that is because there is a higher level of union membership in that sector leading to less bullying by employers and contractors
celticbhoy
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gar you beat me to the punch its purely financial the reasons for the illegal removal of scaffolding components,like happy said education education education is and has been on the go for years with such campaigns as you speak of,but until the main contractor is solely made judicially responsible for the bastardising of scaffolds then im afraid we will continue to encounter such bad practice mate.
Garry Adams
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happyhugenoet
Strategies to Regulate the unauthenticated removal of component part were discussed on the Forum a while ago and Tie Tagging was one of the Methods discussed.
Many lock nut devises were offered up for consideration---however, I went for the cost affective Triangular Bolt, this provision would be a physical and mechanical barrier in that, a Triangular Bolt would not be readily remover without the specific Triangular Box/Key and are more cost effective than the Lock nuts on the Market.
Got to recognize that Lyndon are a progressive PLC and one of the Best to work for---firm but fair...
Gar...
Strategies to Regulate the unauthenticated removal of component part were discussed on the Forum a while ago and Tie Tagging was one of the Methods discussed.
Many lock nut devises were offered up for consideration---however, I went for the cost affective Triangular Bolt, this provision would be a physical and mechanical barrier in that, a Triangular Bolt would not be readily remover without the specific Triangular Box/Key and are more cost effective than the Lock nuts on the Market.
Got to recognize that Lyndon are a progressive PLC and one of the Best to work for---firm but fair...
Gar...
Check some of these photos out in albums.
My earlier post dico,I nearly got sacked for complaining,and in support of the Eictb boys,as you know what scaffs have to wear harnesses and scaff steps etc,but site managers allow others to move tube,window fitters,brickies etc.