TomP
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A lot of people want us to jump through hoops and when we do and want them to do the stuff they are required to do, they just ignore it
The difference between temporary and permanent structures?
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TomP
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Yeah and they all take a walk around the scaffold to look at it before they sign the handover cert as well!
had a fellow the other day tom 22 25 walked round to sign scaffold off didn't have a ruddy clue but as he woz main client and had sat 2 day cisrs basic scaffold course he thought he was god wrong but they paye wages mate. needs addressing some of these courses from cisrs
TomP
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It definitely doesn't help if they haven't got a scaffold background!
make you right tom but these youngsters no the weights stress of scaffold and load bearings where there fresh out of school so the scaffolder gets lost in figures even thou they ante got a clue 2014 am afraid!!! your never win with the spotty brigade:laugh:
scaffy 1980
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Best argument against them is take the belt off and hand it too them and say........you fecking build it then.
and get another job lol!!!! knobs thou den they just use calculations to throw you so you say yeah ok see where your comeing from but you really ante got a clue:laugh: 1980 IF YOU ANTE SURE BEEF IT UP TODAYS SCAFFOLDING HAS GONE STUPID!!!!
marra watson
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ahaha we have a job with hop up legs in and in a few of the bays there is 5/6 legs 3 for the hop up some time 4 with butt end and 2 for standards and because of this there is more than 2 sleves in the bay the saftdey guy could not see the wood for the trees tried to explain to him to be able to get a stagger in the hupup legs and the standard you would need mulitples of 2 meter tube i ei 2 4 6 8 10 m tube to get over this situation of there been more than 2 sleves in the bay he still wouldnt have it tied telling him the legs a sreparate to the indapendant as its not structural to the scaffold its self and the scafofld its self is staggerd this si the same saftey fella that top me to take me gloves of when smoking raspppppppppppppppp
Bobbysupascaff
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Or make em look tiny had a sparky on a job who thought he was top boy and gave it the biggun to every one so as he was on a step ladder on the street fixing lights in the hoarding I pulled his trousers down and ran off!!! and it was in Covent garden in the piazza with everyone laughing at him Didn't have any trouble or nonsense from him again same applies I believe lol
scaffy 1980
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You cant do that either thou kev, cos your deviating away from the drawing. As you say pal we cant win either way.
Slowly but surely were all becoming yes men and we dont know it.
The games fooked den!!! But its all we no spotty fresh out of school wins, scaffolding yo could earn a packet with little brains now you need to be switched on todo the game!!! The rich get richer on the scaffolders back with there BU!L S!IT
regs!!! Glad iam nearly finished with game!!!
regs!!! Glad iam nearly finished with game!!!
TomP
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Ask to see it in writing and if they would like fries with it! Two gold stars on the name badge
Alan Reade
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You are correct Dangeruss, most issues in scaffolding are caused by incorrect or inadequate something or the other.
Training was a lot longer and more informative when I started in scaffolding it involved working with talented scaffs as well as not so talented ones and you had to decide which bits were good and which were bad.
Having that knowledge was not what made you a good scaff but choosing to use the right ones did.
regards
Alan
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If it don't bend it'll break!!
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Assuming you have the correct tie in the correct place and it is tested to the correct load then the building is inadequate to withstand the forces imposed upon it by your scaffold in use.
In an earlier comment I refereed to "The Foundation clause" all my quotes and designs go out with both a foundation clause and a clause that relates the the structure being adequate to withstand loads imposed by the scaffold in use. I also have a note whereby the customer is to approve layout prior to any erection on site.
If your quote and or drawings have these notes you have placed the contractual responsibility with the customer.
regards
Alan
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The main contractor not giving you confirmation that the building is adequate to take the imposed loadings
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But then it would be our fault for not getting it in writing first
With the correct notes in your quote and design confirmation can be implied by issuance of an order from your customer
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Yes, would have been the correct answer to his statement, you are looking to pass responsibility back to your client for a building about which you know nothing. You are not structural Engineers you are scaffolding contractors.
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Nice quote from the book Dangeruss, however tests prelim or otherwise will only test the substrate of the building and not the building.
Consider a concrete cladding panel 6m x 6m fixed to the building in 4 corners with a hilti fixing in the middle.
Your tester will test the anchor as a local test but will not test the panel in a global sense. When tested by applying the load on the panel without being propped locally to the tie you may find the panel could break or become dislodged.
regards
Alan
Nice quote from the book Dangeruss, however tests prelim or otherwise will only test the substrate of the building and not the building.
Consider a concrete cladding panel 6m x 6m fixed to the building in 4 corners with a hilti fixing in the middle.
Your tester will test the anchor as a local test but will not test the panel in a global sense. When tested by applying the load on the panel without being propped locally to the tie you may find the panel could break or become dislodged.
regards
Alan
I remember reading an article on something similar. It was about a bridge giving way inside a shopping mall in so far off place. They had a bridge at high level spanning from one side to the other at the top floor. This was supported at either end and had stays from the ceiling to support the middle. The subsequent bridges at lower levels had the same arrangement but where there was no ceiling to support the middles, they hung from the bridge above. All was well until there was a ceremony in the centre and the bridges were full. The high level ceiling supports gave way leading to a vertical domino effect killing loads of people in the process. The same kind of principle with hangers on hangers on hangers.
PS Rob and Gordon said to say hello
Consider a concrete cladding panel 6m x 6m fixed to the building in 4 corners with a hilti fixing in the middle.
Your tester will test the anchor as a local test but will not test the panel in a global sense. When tested by applying the load on the panel without being propped locally to the tie you may find the panel could break or become dislodged.
regards
Alan
I remember reading an article on something similar. It was about a bridge giving way inside a shopping mall in so far off place. They had a bridge at high level spanning from one side to the other at the top floor. This was supported at either end and had stays from the ceiling to support the middle. The subsequent bridges at lower levels had the same arrangement but where there was no ceiling to support the middles, they hung from the bridge above. All was well until there was a ceremony in the centre and the bridges were full. The high level ceiling supports gave way leading to a vertical domino effect killing loads of people in the process. The same kind of principle with hangers on hangers on hangers.
PS Rob and Gordon said to say hello
TomP
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Alan Reade
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Morning Dangeruss,
two of the best scaffs I ever had the pleasure of working with and taking the p1ss out of. Hope they are well and still working, would love to talk to them, give them my regards
thanks
Alan
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how did you guess, I can hint and advise where I can Tom but commercial knowledge is a sensitive subject.
For most of these notes dig out any drawing from a reputable Engineer they will most likely be plastered down the right hand side of his standard notes. The same can be said for any quote from any of the big players.
regards
Alan
I work with them most days Alan, They still take the p1ss if they can. I met them when they left Cambridge SGB and moved to Northampton. We all worked on the MK theatre together, and kept in touch ever since. Now we all work at a massive food plant together every day. Can you remember Project Dragon fly in Cardiff I worked there for 5 months erecting , I think Alan Tindale was the designer ?
Alan Reade
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Whilst I had nothing to do with Dragonfly I remember the project. Tindale is in Oz now.
If you were in Northampton with Robert & Gordon I guess Peter Voysie was there then? Another nice guy