Regulation, an aid for scaffold safety

I fully agree with what your saying Aom, I wouldnt want anyone killed at all but it will never happen mainly down to human nature im afraid, Considering all the paperwork these days im amazed that accident statistics are not less clouded , it should be easy to look at statistics and work out exactly what trades are getting killed , how they getting killed etc etc

But to give you access to that information would mean we would know too much
 
Half of it is that the blokes going on it want to carry things up in there hand, like a fitters tool bag etc, wheres your 3 point contact, grips my s*it AOM. same as a gap in a board, most of them dont want to do the job cause there sh*t scared of heights, nothing wrong with the scaffold job, go and get a job on the roads, but dont do motorways you might get a bridge to tarmac.
 
superscaff75 said:
I fully agree with what your saying Aom, I wouldnt want anyone killed at all but it will never happen mainly down to human nature im afraid, Considering all the paperwork these days im amazed that accident statistics are not less clouded , it should be easy to look at statistics and work out exactly what trades are getting killed , how they getting killed etc etc

But to give you access to that information would mean we would know too much
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T.ANIMAL said:
Half of it is that the blokes going on it want to carry things up in there hand, like a fitters tool bag etc, wheres your 3 point contact, grips my s*it AOM. same as a gap in a board, most of them dont want to do the job cause there sh*t scared of heights, nothing wrong with the scaffold job, go and get a job on the roads, but dont do motorways you might get a bridge to tarmac.
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Couldn't agree more with both. We are on a job at the moment T.Animal where the agent is very nice but scared out of his wits by their own safety advisor. I have never been on a job that has had so many inside guard rails closing gaps of around 3-4 inch, but fail to spot the fact that the wall that they have decided to demolish at the last minute was also holding the ties that they wanted to witness me testing as they couldn't believe that a t w a t scaff could be trusted to do what he said he did. You go inside the building and they have ripped most of the floors up and there is a gap of around a foot between the old and new but they obviously cant see there is any danger as they cant seem to find anybody they can order to close the gap who wont charge them for the privilege.

Superscaff,

Now you are talking my language. Teeside posted a link to a safety report which is very good but as you know is only a fraction of our industry. I was more than a bit disappointed to see that small operations like mine actually do perform slightly worse on the safety front and it kinda shook me in to action. It was then I thought if we could get a truer picture of how we actually perform instead of best guesses we might actually start to get somewhere with health and safety.
 
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I,m sure I'm not the only one that has had close calls on the job but the job is probably the most important on any site as every one relies on us for safe working conditions,and most scarfs take pride in there work, so it amazes me that the hse fellas use us as an easy target,to justify there over paid jobs.
 
100% agree, Damo mate.

No Scaffolding = No Construction Industry.
100% FACT. :)
 
Aom again its all down to numbers isnt it, we dont know how many small operations there is nor do we know how that statistics are worked out, but you will always get your safety concious small operations and your slash it up , price cutting not safety concious small operations, the latter being the main increase in a rise or higher accident rates involving small operations , me personally think the vast majority of small operation owners do care an think about safety because they generally have a concionse and the work force is almost long term extended family like relationships.
 
I think the NASC should have all companies on file not saying given the NACS stickers for the waggons but should have to sign up to something. Then the HSE sould have the power to close any company that erects scaffold without signing up.
IF THAT SOUNDS RITE
 
Agreed. I certainly wasn't having a pop at smaller firms but trying to say when you see figures in front of you that you can relate too it sheds a different light on the subject. So instead of Mr Hse hitting us with 42 deaths from falls at height so that gives me the right to shaft you guys right up the cooncil gritter give us the real full specific picture and let us have a bit of input how we can put that right if we are involved at all.

Didn't mean to drag this out but damn lies and statistics.

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andyf8686 said:
I think the NASC should have all companies on file not saying given the NACS stickers for the waggons but should have to sign up to something. Then the HSE sould have the power to close any company that erects scaffold without signing up.
IF THAT SOUNDS RITE
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Andy, the hse or citb cant track half of them down what chance has the nasc got?
 
You are right aom with the if we are involved at all bit ,most accidents I have seen or heard about involve scaffoldig but very rarely scaffolders (touch wood) it is usually some donut touching things he has got no rite to be doing,I,ve got to tell you I should have got on here years ago some where to have a bit of a rant ,priceless.
 
Aom
I no what your saying mate but if they could make money out of it then they could LOL lets say 100 pounds a year to be on the books and what ever you pay comes off the bill to become a full member.
Its also down to the contruction companys to put a stop to this also.
Thing is were does there insurance stand on hire of no regestered company's ?
 
Not sure on the insurance thing but I would hazard a guess and say if you can't be bothered registering with citb there is a good chance you forgot about insurance as well. One thing I do remember when setting up my own operation was I called the citb and told them I was starting and wanted to register, when I finally got her to stop laughing(not the first time I've had this problem:embarrest:) and asked her why she told me that her job was to track guys like me down, I cant remember how many years she was at the job but it was a few and I was the first time she had ever had someone on the phone voluntarily.

I think that's the problem with that, if you don't want to be found then the chances are if you stay small enough you wont.

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Damo fraser said:
You are right aom with the if we are involved at all bit ,most accidents I have seen or heard about involve scaffoldig but very rarely scaffolders (touch wood) it is usually some donut touching things he has got no rite to be doing,I,ve got to tell you I should have got on here years ago some where to have a bit of a rant ,priceless.
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ye canny whack a good rant damo and your definitely in the right place.:D
 
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aom said:
ye canny whack a good rant damo and your definitely in the right place.:D
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Defo.

All we need to do is get every Scaffolder in the country to sign up to this forum and the SCCR, then - 'we aint got a gang, we got an army'.

Then we'll be able to command the respect and pay that we all rightly deserve. :idea:
 
I was looking into the SCCR yesterday
Can anyone tell me the benefits of being a member ? I'm lamens terms like ! lol
 
They are, what i believe is a/or the starting of a Scaffolders Union, made by Scaffolders, for Scaffolders.

They, when they get enough support will hopefully push through and get regulations and legislations that benefit us, instead of hindering us, like most of the others do.

Hopefully, we'll be able to have a voice in the Construction Industry and an opinion on how we're made to work and how much money we should be paid.


Andy would be a better person to explain it, tbh.
 
Jason we are not the start of a union and are not trying to become a union mate.
We are about getting a voice for the scaffolder and help with the improvement with in the industry.

Zotsey have a look at the web site mate and if you feel you want a voice join us.
 
Nowt mate. It's only a tenner, I'll defo join but was just wondering what the benefits of being a member were
 
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