Boyberm I dont know why you took offence to anything I wrote, I have looked back over all my contributions to the thread and cant find any insulting, deragatory, or offensive comments directed at you or for that matter anybody, It's not my style, so forgive me if I fail to understand your mindset. I was the first to answer your query and I gave what I considered a helpful answer (go back and read) This is a forum and others have opinions that lead to debate on the particular thread and are entitled to join in and comment, it may not be what you want to hear but on this occasion the subject matter was one that scaffolders do on a daily basis and expressed their opinion on manual handling in the scaffolding industry and as you will gather the concept is a bit of a joke, hence the banter, none of it was directed at you. Sometimes in life you dont get the answers you want to hear, nor does everything go your way, you learn eventually, its called growing up. So I suggest stick with the forum, we're not big bad wolves.