HSE to close offices

the hse has never had sufficent resources to be effective in my eyes,as we all see day in day out with the numerouse firms that apply no safe means of work.what is to be done,well a total cesation of the planned cuts would be the best move.failing that we will be left with a very weak and damaged organisation,in seeing this i belive there will be calls to outsource the outstanding work to private contractors better placed to handle the volume faced by the hse.
 
celtbhoy

Than you for your reply---perhaps outsourceing is the only way forward---I wonder, who would be well placed to fit the remit ?...
 
well well dont think the chappies are a million miles from this thread,would that cause a conflict of intrest though?
 
celticbyoy

My thoughts exactly---infact your bang on the money---I can see it coming Man...

Garry...
 
I think there should be a law to press criminal charges instead of a civil case resulting in death or serious injury because of negligence of companies to comply with legal requirements for the protection of their workers or others. Have a look on the post Corporate Manslaughter.
 
yes the new kids on the block as they like to be known as are pivotly placed garry,wouldnt like to see that though.just be putting to much power into the hands of the few so im going to try and be wise before the event and say that id rather prefer more funding for the hse rather than outsourcing their significant responsibilities.
 
And more power to involve the police to prosecute for criminal negligence.
 
CelticBhoy

I concur, I would rather have the HSE we awarded sufficiant resources so as to do the Job correctly---however, as we all know the HSE has always been the Cinderela when it comes to allotting Fiscal and Budgetary considerations.

The previouse Government ran a recruitment campain to head hunt Specialist Inspectors, however, like many intensives it failed---Governments from ALL sides of the floor are devolving more and more Powers to the Captains of Industry, in other words let Industry Pay for their Regulation and if anything goes wrong they will be accountable.

Many Scaffold Erectors have risen through the ranks, they have taken the initiative to study H&S Subjects and with their CITB Trained and Ticketed Credentials coupled with years of Practical and Theoretical Experiance they are now in a position where they are more Qualified than a HSE Inspector within the Feild of the Scaffolding Industry, there is no reason why with Bolt-on Training our own could Oversee our Industry.

There is searching questions like vested interests, corruption, ect, ect---I am merely posting my comments to generate debate, because, if we do not find an answer, some one is going to come in through the back door :eek:...

Garry...
 
garry as you mention if we dont find an answer soon the back door will come in,in my view this is where the sccr can really have A REAL SAY in how our industry is regulated.as you mention in previouse posts we(sccr)have and will(hopefully)be working in close conjunction with the hse with future meetings conferances etc,i think this is where the scaffs can have their say(consultation) with the real powers that be i for one hope this relationship has longivity as this sort of relationship would be immeasurable to quantifiy for all of us.

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the only drawback i see with putting ex scaffs out in the field to do the work of an hse inspector is the lack of nutrality,ie connections to companies involved in disputes such as previously employed,family connections(nepotism).which would leave them wide open to accusation and counter accusation but i do take your point that it is pertinant that there is movement of somesort on this as i too see the BIG BAD WOLF at the door.
 
Celticbhoy

The SCCR have established a line of communication with the HSE and are now engaging in meaninful talks with variouse Regional Offices, this is thanks to Ragscaff and the SCCR Working Committy, HOWEVER, may I take this opportunity to urge those who are considering joining the SCCR to do so and do so now, SCCR nead number for it succeed.

I join you in your concerns regarding the abuse of Powers---HOWEVER, a Breach of Statutory Requirements is in Black and White with no room for manoeuvre, nevertheless, with the correct selection process it may be possible recruit Non-Bias Personnel which would be accountable to 1 Regional HSE Inspector, this Provision would give a safety net the HSE Reg Officer would act as moderator on times of dispute or appeal where an Improvement or Prohibition were to be issued...

Garry...
 
this matter cant be a good thing for the future of are industry more cowboys more accidents more deaths due to not complying to the regs but on the other hand i dont think it was policed very well anyway only when it suited ie visits to sites the reporting of accidents and so on im wondering where this will leave the everyday working scaff/man
 
Happy New Year Davie Man...

I agree, this could widen the gap between cowboy outfits and those who abide by their Duty of Care...and where does this leave the Scaff ? right in the middle as usual, its the same old story, it's the rich what gets the gravy and the poor that gets the blame...

It's human nature eh, if there's nobody there to stop you from helpin yourself from the sweetie jar, your gona do it eh...

Gar...
 
happy new year garry yes true garry but that sweetie jar could make are industry worse than it is now they ave managed to get the stats down on deaths from heights but i can see this shooting right back up again mores the pity and the worse thing is it will be us that dose it right day in day out that get hit the worse more courses more expence
 
think your idea of carefully selected non biased personel to carry out hse work in all regieons is one that carrys much merit garry,i look forward to seeing this put before the powers that be when the SCCR meet HSE officals.although i know it would take much consultation,time and hardwork i think the idea could lead to a more safer enviroment for all personell in our trade.
 
good question swifty i think anyone,company or body with a vested financial intrest in the trade would for me be elimanated from the process thus killing the financial gain crowd.far better minds than mine will answer this question but id like to think the HSE would do the vetting,again elimanting the favouring of anyone or body.
 
Celticbhoy

Firstly, " idea " is a collective initative by Members of the SCCR and other individuals who are Forum Members.

I merely table the topic in question and await responses---I would like to take the opportunity to thank those who have taken time out to contribute to this thread so far---HOWEVER, with nearly 5 K Forum Members I am somewhat disappointed in the interest and contrabutions in this very important revelation i.e. HSE Closures. This will effect us all, the Forum is a platform for the Membership to voice their opinion.

As for selection of Candidates to fill Posts: I would concur, that the selection process must ensure that it is indeed a Third Party with NO vested interest within the Scaffolding Industry. Men of mature age, strict morals and sound judgement.

Garry...
 
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