everyboadys a scaffolder

Thats Another Reason I Hate Interserve, They Really Are A Contemptable Shower Of S***e, One Law For Them One Law For Everyone Else, Wonder What The Nasc Would Say About This Little Shambles? You Know Dilution Of Skill, Oh Wait Its Interserve They Can Do What They Like.

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Ps, Well Done On The 6000 Posts
 
I was talking that much rubbish I never noticed, thanks.:embarrest:
 
True, sometimes you have to sift through it a bit to get any sense though.:)
 
Alistair

You have invested wisely---these System Installers ( I wont give them the name of Scaffolders ) have pigeon holed themselves into mundane providers of cheep and cheerful facade builders---on the other hand you are a Specialist in your field of Traditional Structures in Tube and Fittings---these System Installers will never price for the Technical and thought provoking problem solving tasks because, put quite simply they cant feckin do it...

A specialized unit can deliver somethings that the imposters cant...
 
That is very true Gary and I do take comfort in that but one thing gnaws away at my tiny mind and that is will we end up sitting in the yard for months at a time with nothing to do whilst the hammer monkeys are kept busy until they reach a structure they are unable to handle call for the tube and fit men, only then do we get dusted down and enter the fray once more. I fear that won't be sustainable Gary as we need the big straight runs now and again to keep us going, hopefully I am wrong but at best it's going to make a tough trade even harder and the worst case scenario is just not worth considering. I would say we are a couple of years away from the full effects but that is only a guess.
 
Garry,I Am A Scaffolder Who Uses Mainly A Certain Brand Of System Scaffold, Namely Kwikstage,I Also Use Some Tube And Fittings(Not Many Grant You) But Some And I Object To Being Called A System Installer,Everyone If They Have Worked For Interserve Or Sgb Or Turner Or Any One Of The Multinationals Has At Some Time Used A System Scaffold, Maybe Dont Like It But You As A Scaffolder Will Use It Because That Is What You Do So Please No More Im A Tube And Fitting Scaffolder And Wouldnt Use System Crap Cause Thats All It Is Crap.
 
Gerscaff,

There may well be a wee misunderstanding, I nor Gary were having a pop we too use system but my gripe is not with experienced hands commanding a descent wage it is with the 2 day scaffolders.
 
You Mean The Two Day Course In That Fine System Called Kwikstage, I Have Met These Chanty Wrastlers As Well, Itll Be All Right Till Someone Has An Accident, I Didnt Think Anyone Was Having A Pop At Me Per Say, But Anything That Can Be Done In Tube Can Also Be Done In System God Knows Iv Done Most Of Them And Used Most Of Them Over 30 Years, If You Want A Bonny Job Use Tube If You Want To Make Money Use Kwikstage.
 
when a trainer can walk on to a site full of labourers and 3 days leave a site full of scaffolders there surely must be something wrong when it takes me 3 years.
 
Gerscaff

System Installer is not my term it is the Term that System Scaffold Manufacturers use...Ask the Company what use these Systems...

Scaffold Erectors use Tube and Couplers...

When I worked for Alustar System Scaffold, I was deemed an Alustar Installer...

When I worked for RGB Tube and Couplers, I was deemed a Scaffold Erector...

Not my terms Gerscaff, the Industry's...

And ,I have worked most of the Systems, so that makes me a Sytem Installer as well as a Scaffolder...
 
Ps I Wouldnt Say I Commanded A Decent Wage Anymore Mate In Fact Im Earning Less Now Than I Was 10 Years Ago.
 
Gerscaff said:
You Mean The Two Day Course In That Fine System Called Kwikstage, I Have Met These Chanty Wrastlers As Well, Itll Be All Right Till Someone Has An Accident, I Didnt Think Anyone Was Having A Pop At Me Per Say, But Anything That Can Be Done In Tube Can Also Be Done In System God Knows Iv Done Most Of Them And Used Most Of Them Over 30 Years, If You Want A Bonny Job Use Tube If You Want To Make Money Use Kwikstage.
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I did try and argue that very point on one thread and have seen jobs I have priced for tube done in system but hopefully there will still be a demand down here for tube scaffolders as for years there were very few until I started training them now they are all over the place. I just don't get it, unless I have to start using them and paying them accordingly as well.

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Gerscaff said:
Ps I Wouldnt Say I Commanded A Decent Wage Anymore Mate In Fact Im Earning Less Now Than I Was 10 Years Ago.
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I think nearly all of us can relate to that.
 
Alister, A Trainer Cannot Walk On Site Then Within Three Days You Have A Scaffolder, Cant Happen Matey,All The Labourers Can Do Is Move Hop Ups And Reinstate Handrails, They Cannot (Legally) Erect Or Strip A Scaffold Whether Its A Two Storey House Or A Bin Recess,The Danger Lies In The Site Manager Insisting These Labourers Are Qualified When As We All Know They Arent,
 
Listen boy's, lets not get bogged down in semantics. I have no interest in bigging myself up or anyone down. I have no problem loosing work to any competitor who uses fully trained carded personnel and I have no problem with scaffolders using system, we use roughly a 50/50 split as I feel it does give as an advantage on the new build sites. My gripe is not even the 2 day product knowledge courses as they require a minimum of part 1 and that as we all know should lead on to further qualifications. There is another course, not sure what it's called System Installer and Maintenance or something of that ilk which allows uncarded men to build system. It may seem petty to some but it will affect us all in one way or another sooner rather than later. I haven't looked too deep into it but as far as I know it allows monkeys to erect up to 5 meters but anyone with half a brain know they wont stop there.

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Gerscaff said:
Alister, A Trainer Cannot Walk On Site Then Within Three Days You Have A Scaffolder, Cant Happen Matey,All The Labourers Can Do Is Move Hop Ups And Reinstate Handrails, They Cannot (Legally) Erect Or Strip A Scaffold Whether Its A Two Storey House Or A Bin Recess,The Danger Lies In The Site Manager Insisting These Labourers Are Qualified When As We All Know They Arent,
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I'm sorry Gerscaff but I got an e-mail from our so called training group that says different, I also had a trainer in my house on Wednesday evening who told me that is exactly what he was doing, he was going on to a site and train all their men to build system. I wish I never done this now but the e-mail so disgusted me I deleted it, I think the course was called SITS or something my memory was never the best. I may have the wrong end of the stick but I doubt it but the trainer was from Aberdeen, not originally but Gary may well know him.
 
You dont need a Trainer---feck me they got Butchers, Bakers and Candle Stick Makers erecting PMSL and feckin Taxi Drivers Taging the Jobs FFS, FFS the job cant be that hard to learn eh ???
 
I Think You Are Refering To The Five Day Base (Basic System Access Erector) Course Which Is Not A Scaffolders Course Alister, It Was Designed So A Roofer Or Plumber Could Erect Their Own Roof Edge Protection, The Thing Is There Is That Many Courses Now Every Construction Company Seems To Have There Own,There Are Firms Up Here Using Base Lads As Scaffolders And This Is Where The System If You Pardon The Pun Mate Falls On Its Arse, Iv Done Parts One And Two And The Cuplok And Kwikstage Add Ons And Cant Compete On Price With Some Of These Bandits.
 
I had a quick squint to see if I could find this allusive course but couldn't but I will get back to you as soon as. This guy who was in my house is a CISRS registered trainer, not some in house daft scheme. I may well be wrong, it won't be the first.

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I know base has existed for a while now but this is a 2 day thing not 3 as first posted.
 
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