Ecitb scaffs tkt

In the Sun the other day they were talking about the HSE taking on another 50 odd inspectors!! Looked on line & there was something about off shore!

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Ragscaff
 
Cheers

Thanks and yes I get the IOSH mag I am registered on loads of sites but as you say there are very few jobs about will try the one you suggested
Every job posted seems to want more and more qualifications like lead auditor ect.
So hopefully will eventually use my qualifications to the best route.
 
ECITB, CITB or CISRS. All ******** (CITB advanced trained)! The best way to find a scaff is to put the ****** to work! You know within a minute whether he can turn a spanner (unless using one of them wanky cordless drills). You put them in a gang. Other lads will soon tell you. I don't mean let them out on their own or take chances. But there are ways to check up etc... I have had 2 young fellas working for me that have come straight from college not knowing a thing. One of them I actually cut up his ticket and sent back. he didn't even know which way a double went!
 
Gents lets be honest here the ECITB card is a joke to our industry anyone can apply for one and the mean reason it is being phased out is because someone actually applied for one for their 8 year old daughter and actually got it issued (say no more)....

I know lads who have these cards and are excellent scaffolders but at the end of the day the CISRS scheme is the recognised card scheme for scaffolders.

For those of you who require your CISRS card I can offer you FREE training Part 1 & Part2 with NVQ included.
This is providing you do not have a NVQ already.

So no excuse fellas free training no cost to you at all!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 
Can you offer a guy with the following experiance a direct entry into part 2?

-ECITB Advanced issued 1990/1991 -SGB

-CITB/CISRS/Trainee -1989 -SGB

-Scaffolder Inspector - Cape

-National Grid Comp-person - EAK 23725

-National Grid Comp-person - 18-sco 91 comp

-National Grid Besc EUSR 55827

-National Grid Third addition

-National Grid Gas Certificate comp person no: - Cape

-CSCS Safety Passport no:2472574

-CCNSG Safety Passport no:499426

-Manual Handling - Cape

-SG4 - Cape

-Ridgegear no:Q5822/RGR4/60M

-Rope Descent Resue others- Cape

- MEW Sizzor Lift 9317

Been scaffolding over 23 years. Plus can you cover his lost wages whilst he does these courses. Weekend assesment is all he needs. If he fails put him to the back of the queue!

If you come back & say he has to sit with new trainees & start from part 1 then you have not understood the thread at all. Yes we all agree the ECITB had flaws. Yes it would be good to have everyone on CISRS tickets, easy to control but on a level playing field. Assess the candidate & allow them to enter the scheme at the level they are experianced at.

The whole issue needs an overhaul. The quality of scaffolders coming out into the big wide world is the worst I ever seen. The old saying is 'he must have got in a Frosties pack'

The most amount of accidents or near misses I've seen is from lads who can't walk or stand up long & hav'nt got a clue how to carry 5fts. That would be a good start on a trannee course!

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Ragscaff
 
Stoko said:
ECITB, CITB or CISRS. All ******** (CITB advanced trained)! The best way to find a scaff is to put the ****** to work! You know within a minute whether he can turn a spanner (unless using one of them wanky cordless drills). You put them in a gang. Other lads will soon tell you. I don't mean let them out on their own or take chances. But there are ways to check up etc... I have had 2 young fellas working for me that have come straight from college not knowing a thing. One of them I actually cut up his ticket and sent back. he didn't even know which way a double went!
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bit harsh that dave.when you get quotes like this with the cisrs.tickets m8.
were ave to agree to disagree.dave
 
ha ha ragscaff. ante heard the frostie one for a while.quality,animal has these papers to
cant fault ya m8.
 
What I would say in response is that if these lads who are coming out in the world so bad then the scaffolders who they are working worth are to blame we all learn from the experience lads in the game. Remeber you attend a course to obtain the theory knowledge you require along with the practical knowledge of erecting and dismating scaffolds.

Any scaffolder who has been in the game for more than 5 years have had the chance to obtain his card through the ASRE, so no excuse.

I have been in the game for 25 years and I can assure you I see lads who have been in the game for many years who's knowledge and standard of work shows us all up.

I also believe that we should be trade tested each time we apply for our cards this way we would have to keep up with the industry as and when codes of practices etc change.

So many out there still not aware of SG4 Appendix A and TG20???????

Sorry long winded reply, and unless you have a Part1 then no fast track to Part 2.
 
I can't believe you have contradicted yourself.

We are asking for scaffolders to have more experience!!!!

Along with training.!!!

But don’t let them out on their own. Why give an inexperienced guy a ticket?

ASRE not many guys knew about it, when it was around 5% of sites asked for a card. Now they all want it. Bring back ASRE for an 18 month period & see how many apply then!!

You have agreed that experience is the most important thing yet our guy with 23 years is being treated in this unacceptable way.

No cards should be issued to anyone without on site experience!!

Why is there only one card. Domestic , Industrial, Specialist & Off Shore.

Completely different worlds of experience yet the training is the same.

New Scaffolders

Labourer for 1 year.

Part 1 with endorsement from company they are working for to prove they can achieve what you are training them to do.

Hold part 1 for a year min, endorsement from company to prove you can do part 2 then training then NVQ!!

Advanced 5 years experience after part 2.

Then you may get some quality again!!

Experienced scaffolders assess their experience then train them at the level they are. What is so hard, if all the training guys are that good you know who can do it & who can't!!!



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Ragscaff
 
I didnt contradict myself at all, I am stating that the experience should take the young lads under there wing while they are training (not everyone comes out of the ma's fanny holding a spanner)..

I cannot answer for other centres but the centre in which I work in do actually fail and send apprentices back a group if they are not ready.
I agree petrochem is a total different ball game then street work and lads who work on the street struggle when they go on petrochem sites due to the high standard expected (not sayin all do).

I agree with your view as in route of gaining a card to but assessing experience lads the problem you have here is that a number of experience lads lack the knowledge yeah granted know how to erected and dismanlte but, if asked bay sizes or U.D.L of scaffolds etc they struggle and they require this knowlegde and unfortunately or fortunately which ever way you may want to look at it we are governed by the CAPS 609.

Lets be honest what did scaffolders have to do to acheive the Ecitb card, nothing but to apply for it?

If the industry is struggling I put a lot onto the companies who will not train lads, at the end of the day they have an obligation to train there workforce...
 
But the governing body says that if someone has a part 2 they can erect to that standard of ticket.

Most of the new part 2 scaffolders I have had experience of & a large percentage of other scaffolders on this site agree that they cannot base out on their own!!

Why do we have a system when some centres have a different approach to others?

Do you have an audit at all to check on the quality of what you do?

I am not picking on you but the system is crap.

Someone can walk in off the dole never seen a scaffold before & get funded 100% & walk away with a part 1 & get funded 100% for a part 2.

16-18 year old can get funded, again never seen a scaffold, during a possible 18 months period do 11 weeks training & get a part 2!!

Agency rings up , got your ticket, great you on site 6 lifts up. They are not interested in your experience (sorry for picking on agencies again!!) & you thought ECITB was a joke!!

This has just got a longer punch line :D:D

Ragscaff
 
Thats not right what you are saying there, you need 6 months practical experience before you can take your Part 1.

Yes we do have audit checks.

Was the ECITB not set up as an agency data base back in its day???

Cannot answer for other centres but only the one I am involved in Rags and all I can say this is my indusrty and I would not put anyone out in it if they could not do it and this is our centre view.

The apprentice route which you are referring to here, does my head in to be honest, because 11 weeks over 18 months is training the gaps between they must get site experience and guidnace working with the experience worker and as you stated before this is where they will learn more when hands on in a working environment. This is where it falls down because in some causes the employer is not doing this the lads go back to site and labour.

What site are you on and I have got to ask where did these lads get trained and have the company done there part back at the job front.

Back to my posting earlier Free training no excuse for anyone to not get there CISRS card....
 
Great debate mate but I know 3 guys who have got their part 1 without the six months!!

Bad experianced scaffolders over the last two or so years covering several firms. I worked as labour only so work for quite a few companies in different parts of the country stories the same.

What area is this offer being made?

Ragscaff
 
Agreed good debate, What do you mean what area?

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They only way this will be stopped if people named the centres?
 
Where are you offering the training to:confused:

Ragscaff

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That is on my to do list .

Ragscaff
SCCR
Chairman
 
England and Wales

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Providing they have not got a NVQ already

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Rags good debate, being the chairman of this site please inform all members of the Free training available.............

If you need any info or would like to visit our centre then get in touch....

See yer, speak again no doubt soon
 
Not Chairman of this site. SCCR.

Scaffolders Confederation for Consultation Rights.


Send me your details sccr@sky.com

Ragscaff
 
Part 1 Courses are being dished out left, right and centre to anyone (it seems) who wants them via Train to Gain and N.E.T.A on Teesside. Most of the lad's I come across who have done the courses are lad's who have just entered the industry as Labourers and then they magically become a Part 1 !! They don't have a clue how to turn a spanner and rely on the experienced lad's to cover for them. They are, in effect, Labourers carrying spanners who are able to get a higher rate for having done the Part 1course. The trade is being undermined by this sort of activity and the quality of labour is deteriorating dramatically throughout the industry. Before the questions start flying, I am speaking from experience here as there are 5 Labourers working on the site that I am on who have gone on two weeks holiday at various times in the last 3 or 4 months then re-appeared saying that they are now Trainee's !!!!!
 
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