any advice on hangers offshore

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i just started working offshore, i have only used kwik stage, cup-lok, layher , basically all system scaffolding, i have very little expirience on tube and fitting.

i want to get some booklets - info on how to properly construct hangers/overside droppers, truss outs etc etc offshore.

tube and fitting totally different to system so i need to gain knowledge and expirience now as i have just started working offshore and do not want to f*** anything up.

cheers in advance.
 
A hanger is a tower/independant upside down.. and make sure your clipped on to a seperate anchor point, not the hanger if you don't know what your doing... or you and the job will end up on the sea bed..lol
 
this is a joke,loads of good lads with tube & fitting knowledge have been laid of in the run up to christmas & now lads who are not really confident in what to do with tube & fitting are getting a bend offshore, know its not your fault & every credit for asking for advice but how did you pass the trade test?
 
Not something you can learn off manuals. You need your tickets. starting with part 1
 
what trade test...lol... never done one in mi life... worked 10 years offshore... just think on aswell... some sectors its all system offshore, how would t/F boys go on with that ???
 
i've had 2 trade test's in the last 3 years,1 for cape & 1 when i changed hats, thought they were a way of stopping this sort of thing happening, anyway the lads out there should look after this guy but saying that you always get 1 who'd rather make you out to be an idiot because "your on the same money"
 
cassie said:
what trade test...lol... never done one in mi life... worked 10 years offshore... just think on aswell... some sectors its all system offshore, how would t/F boys go on with that ???
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Read a few manuals I spose:D
 
i have been working with system , read the post !!! ive used tube and fitting on my part 1 -2 and 2 day assesment but that is all, truss out, roof saddle , independant etc etc...no hangers !! you dont do hangers untill ur advanced if your a scaff you will know that wont you, seems a few on here are jealous because im getting offshore lol ive got my pt 1-2-and assesment plus my cicsr card .

have done one dropper offshore and i need more expirience.

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i got my pt 1-2 and 2 day assesment plus cicrs scaff card. as you are a scaffolder then you will know you dont do droppers untill your advanced . on our pt 1-2 and assessment we done truss outs, roof saddle etc but no hangers.

need expirience, ive only done 1 hanger offshore and want to get to know more on how to do them, everything else is ok as t+f is concerned but i want to be 100%
 
If you haven't learned to do hangers yet then dont do them or it will stand out a mile you aint got a vindaloo what your doing , best thing to do is confide in an older experienced lad and ask him to show you how it works.
I would rather show someone how to do something then let him risk his and others safety
no one knows something until there taught it i have never seen a manual that can teach you how to slide down a hanger and pearch on a butt
 
hangers

Just make sure ur with somebody who knows ffs ,
 
1 The Foreman/Supervisor collects the
Permit to work for the specific task to
be performed, from the Area
Authority.
Read and understand conditions and
precautions on Permit.
1a Read and fully understand the
contents of the Permit and comply
with the conditions throughout its
period of validity.
2 The Foreman/Supervisor inspects
the worksite and shows the
scaffolders the work area.
2a The Foreman/Supervisor gives
scaffolders proper instructions as to
the scope and requirements of
scaffolding to be erected.
Toolbox Talks and Risk Assessments.
3 Measure and assess materials
required to perform the task.
If wrong materials are used the quality of
the scaffold will be affected and also the
safety and efficiency will be reduced.
3a Erect Signs and Barriers Use Tannoy announcements.
3b Check to see if lighting is required. Risk Assessment must be carried out if
lighting is required.
4 Check for the easiest and safest
route for carrying the scaffold
materials from the storage rack to
the worksite.
All escape routes, emergency equipment
and exits to be kept clear at all times.
5 Transport materials from the storage
racks to the worksite.
Mechanical methods to be used if
possible.
6 The appropriate safety equipment is
collected i.e. Safety harnesses,
inertia reels and life jackets etc.
Personnel to have had recorded training
in its use.
6a Thoroughly inspect all safety
equipment for any defects and check
that the inertia reels are in
compliance.
Inertia reels must be securely anchored
to a point capable of sustaining a load in
the event of a fall. ( 2.4 Tonnes )
6b Collect The radio for the Over-side
Watch from the Control Room.
Test the radio with the Control room
operator prior to leaving the CCR.
Ensure the man using the radio received
adequate instructions regarding his
duties as an Over-side watch, and that
he knows the procedure for its use.
7 Over-side watch informs the Control
Room and Stand-by boat of the
location and number of Scaffolders
who will be working outboard, and
informs that the work is about to
commence
Personnel locating beacons to be worn if
provided by operator of the Installation.
Over-board watch must receive
confirmation to proceed by CCR before
Scaffolders go overboard
TECHNICAL MANUAL for OFFSHORE SCAFFOLDING
Document No: Revision Date Page
TMS/23/M/01 04 04/05 110 of 132
8 Over-side watch must maintain radio
contact with the Control/Radio room
and Stand-by boat where
appropriate, while men are working
overboard and for the correct
location to be given.
Over-side watch must position himself
at a safe location, where he can clearly
see the worksite. The watchman should
not be involved in any activity which
could divert his attention from his duty.
9 Determine location of ladder access. Using ladder guidance notes.
10 Proceed to erect the supporting
frame on the structure, from which
the scaffold is to be suspended from
using Gravlok couplers in pairs.
Measure frame to fit required boards
width of access.
Check with structural department
engineer that the existing support
structure is capable of all loadings from
scaffold structure. Check bay lengths
required.
11 A red scafftag (do not use sign) is
attached to the partially erected
scaffold, or in a position where
personnel will take notice of it.
Check scaffold for square by using the
3-4-5 method.
Using load bearing fittings.
12 Place boards on the supporting
frame for working on and temporarily
tie them down to stop movement.
Check all doubles couplers carefully
which are to be directly taking load of
scaffold.
13 The hanging puncheon tubes are
made up on the deck by placing a
butt tube with a check fitting on the
bottom and an upside down double
coupler at the top, leaving space at
top of tube for a check fitting.
Hanging tubes are to be around 3 to 4ft
longer than lift so as to allow scaffolders
to stand on butt and work comfortably
standing. The upside down double will
take the weight of the dropper while the
scaffolder positions the tube.
14 Position the 1st dropper on the
supporting frame and fix at required
torque (60Nm). Measure along the
tube and fix 2nd dropper.
Maximum spacing between dropper
tubes 1.8m.
15 Position 3rd and 4th droppers
opposite and add check fittings to all
droppers and place tubes in checks.
Tubes in check fittings give extra
strength and stability, giving 2 tie points.
16 1 scaffolder can slide down 1st
dropper and fix a swivel coupler at a
height that will not interfere with the
working lift. The 2nd scaffolder will
place a swivel at the top of the
opposite dropper. A 3rd scaffolder will
pass a brace tube which will be fixed
at the top allowing the scaffolder on
the dropper to plumb his dropper
from a fixed point.
Adequate bracing must be installed in
accordance with regulations to give
scaffold stability.
17 The 1st scaffolder places a double at
the required lift height while a 2nd
scaffolder slides down opposite
dropper and places a double coupler
at the same height. A 3rd scaffolder
passes a ledger of required length,
1st scaffolder will fix his tube allowing
2nd scaffolder to plumb and level his
from a fixed point.
TECHNICAL MANUAL for OFFSHORE SCAFFOLDING
Document No: Revision Date Page
TMS/23/M/01 04 04/05 111 of 132
18 1st scaffolder stays on his dropper
while 2nd scaffolder fixes a swivel at
the top of the 3rd dropper and 1st
scaffolder fixes a swivel at the
bottom of his, 2nd scaffolder fixes his
tube allowing 1st scaffolder to plumb
his from a fixed point.
19 2nd scaffolder slides down 3rd
dropper and 1st scaffolder places
double coupler under his ledger. 2nd
scaffolder then places a double at
the same height while 3rd scaffolder
passes a tube of required length for
a check transom.1st scaffolder fixes
his tube while 2nd levels and plumbs
his from a fixed point.
20 1st scaffolder then positions himself
at top of 4th dropper and fixes a
swivel while 2nd scaffolder fixes a
swivel at the base of his dropper.3rd
scaffolder passes a brace tube
which 1st scaffolder fixes allowing 2nd
scaffolder to plumb his dropper from
a fixed point.
Bracing will form a diamond shape
around the scaffold, this allows 2
diagonally opposite droppers to be free
to add a plan brace closer to the support
frame scaffold is suspended from.
21 1st scaffolder slides down tube and
levels a ledger off the check transom
which 2nd scaffolder fixes allowing 1st
scaffolder to plumb from a fixed
point.
2nd check transom can be installed and
dropper plumbed.
22 2nd scaffolder now places a swivel
coupler at top of 1st dropper and 1st
scaffolder places a swivel at base of
4th dropper,3rd scaffolder passes a
brace tube which 2nd scaffolder fixes
allowing 1st scaffolder to plumb from
a fixed point.
23 A plan brace is now installed under
the working lift and also just under
the support frame to give extra
stability.
24 The transoms are now fixed to the
ledgers.
The transoms are correctly spaced
according to the width of the scaffold
and boards.
25 The boards are passed down and
tied into place using wire lashings to
prevent movement.
Boards tied at both ends, maximum
overhang 150mm minimum 50mm.
26 Fix handrails and toe-boards around
the boarded lift and where possible
tie scaffold to any suitable
supporting structure to give
additional stability.
Toe-boards must be minimum 150mm
and gaps between handrails and toeboards
must not exceed 400mm.
TECHNICAL MANUAL for OFFSHORE SCAFFOLDING
Document No: Revision Date Page
TMS/23/M/01 04 04/05 112 of 132
27 The ladder access is now fixed to
the scaffold.
The ladder should preferably project at
least 1070mm above the landing. The
ladder must stand on a firm base, where
practical it should be set at an angle of 4
vertically to 1 horizontally. The ladder
access must be caged in if in an
exposed area. Ladder to be tied in a
square configuration.
28 The Foreman/Supervisor now
inspects the scaffold and if found
satisfactory it is then correctly
tagged.
Inspect the scaffold as soon as it is
completed and record the inspection in
the official register. The Foreman
/Supervisor issues a scaffold certificate
to the Area Authority and to the FSO.
29 The over-side watch informs the
Radio/Control room and the Standby
boat that the outboard work is
completed and the radio is then
returned to the Radio room.
30 Excess materials returned to the
storage rack, using the easiest
safest route.
31 All copies of the Permit are returned
to the Area Authority.
All safety equipment is returned to the
stores.
NOTE: IF SUSPENDED SCAFFOLD IS TO BE LONGER THAN 1 BAY, MEASURE
THE 2ND DROPPER FURTHER ALONG THE TUBE AND ADD A LONGER
LEDGER WHEN ERECTING SCAFFOLD. ONCE THE BOARDS ARE ON THE
LIFT ADD INTERMEDIATE DROPPERS. IF THE SCAFFOLD IS TO BE LONGER,
STAGGER JOINTS IN LEDGERS. ERECT AS NORMAL TO EXTEND LINE OF
DROPPERS, EXTEND HANDRAIL OUT TO WHERE NEXT DROPPER IS TO BE
PLACED AND WORK OFF HANDRAIL FOR EXTRA HEIGHT TO FIX SUPPORT
FRAME, TYING DROPPER IN ALL THE TIME WITH THE HANDRAIL FOR
STABILITY.
TECHNICAL MANUAL for OFFSHORE SCAFFOLDING

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Thee you are mate. Step by step, even tells you to slide down the dropper. Just think of a pole dancer and do the same.

Fair play to you as you got offshore without being able to do the job. Are you my old sparring partner jonnybegood? He was the same as you!!!
 
best way if ya put to do a hanger tell the lads who ya with that youve not done them before simples and you might be lucky and get radio man any decent scaff will break you in easy haha
 
john the manc said:
dertboll = robert ll simple anagram.
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It needs two Rs to be an anagram.

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cassie said:
what trade test...lol... never done one in mi life... worked 10 years offshore... just think on aswell... some sectors its all system offshore, how would t/F boys go on with that ???
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Any T&F scaffolder should be able to grasp system in 2 minutes. If they cant then they shouldnt be called a scaffolder.

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dertboll said:
i just started working offshore, i have only used kwik stage, cup-lok, layher , basically all system scaffolding, i have very little expirience on tube and fitting.

i want to get some booklets - info on how to properly construct hangers/overside droppers, truss outs etc etc offshore.

tube and fitting totally different to system so i need to gain knowledge and expirience now as i have just started working offshore and do not want to f*** anything up.

cheers in advance.
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One of the main essentials for doing t&f whether onshore or offshore is a state of the art scaffolders tool belt.
Hopefully my new website scaffolderstoolbelts.com will be online in early 2013 and you will be able to keep up with all the latest changes and new technology that are happening in this exciting area of the scaffolding and access profession. Hopefully there will be some products available for purchase.
 
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you would be surprised mate.... with the rosettes capable of taking 5,000 lb, theres some weird **** you can do with system, its not only used for towers....;) picking the weight up using double braces. etc, a T/F only scaff would be surprised, take a bit longer than 2 mins.. it is different to tube and fit... if ur only doing straightforward ind or towers fair enough, but more advanced jobs are different, someone used to Layher would lose a t/f boy to start with, I agree T/f is more difficult and takes way longer to learn, but system is has far more to it than a 2 lift 7ftx4ft tower.... and has way more components to it...xxx good luck and hope you get with a decent gang
 
cassie said:
you would be surprised mate.... with the rosettes capable of taking 5,000 lb, theres some weird **** you can do with system, its not only used for towers....;) picking the weight up using double braces. etc, a T/F only scaff would be surprised, take a bit longer than 2 mins.. it is different to tube and fit... if ur only doing straightforward ind or towers fair enough, but more advanced jobs are different, someone used to Layher would lose a t/f boy to start with, I agree T/f is more difficult and takes way longer to learn, but system is has far more to it than a 2 lift 7ftx4ft tower.... and has way more components to it...xxx good luck and hope you get with a decent gang
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Nothing surprises me mate. I have used plenty of systems in my time. Double braces are used in t&f too. All systems were based on t&f. Have done some specialised stuff for Layher one even won a Layher award. Very simple stuff to use which is my point that any scaffolder can use it easily providing they want to that is.
Anyway we are digressing. This is a thread about a system scaffolder who wants to learn how to do t&f hangers.
 
Havespannerwilltravel said:
Nothing surprises me mate. I have used plenty of systems in my time. Double braces are used in t&f too. All systems were based on t&f. Have done some specialised stuff for Layher one even won a Layher award. Very simple stuff to use which is my point that any scaffolder can use it easily providing they want to that is.
Anyway we are digressing. This is a thread about a system scaffolder who wants to learn how to do t&f hangers.
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Indeed.... however, I have seen t/F scaffs that cant use T/F..lol... best to be competant in both hey ?
 
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