Robert hurst ltd
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Spot on phil181, like ive said before boycott the lot of them.
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Actually I think that the 3 weeks was incorrect mate.
I think Slav waited 7 weeks for his money!
Yet certain people are determined to praise these odious little characters!
I think it's disgusting.
paddy carr
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I now notice Robert Hurst is not now one of our Forum Sponsors, i wonder why that may be?.....................
philliosmaximus
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they cant afford to be sponsors after they had to pay slav and the other lads their wages 
paddy carr
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Contreversial reply. I have never worked for a agency, i have been lucky enough to work for the same Employer, for 32 years as a Scaffolder.
When i first started working for the company, i was raising a family, there was no wkd work at all. I started doing wkds for a small scaffolding company, albeit cash in hand.:embarrest: just to make ends meet.
My point being, if i was 1 of the lads ,registered to a agency, sitting in the house with, er indoors and the rugrats, clambering all over you, with nowt in your pocket and the bills were running up. the agency could and would be a potential lifeline.
The site i am on has had a Agency labourer on for 6 mths, he lives over the road from the site, so has no travel issues.
The Telehandler FLT driver has went sick with 'Stress' Agency lad there next day.
I can understand the Forum scaffs slating the Agencies, however, there is a identifiable need for them, and i would like to invite Robert Hurst back to the Forum.
As i stated at the start of my post, i have had no dealings with a Agency, however Promises of you will get a start with us here in 6mths,5 year work etc from your mates in the big jobs doesnt put a loaf of bread on your table for that week, or get the bairn the BMX off Santa.
There must as like any other buisness, be diffuculties getting monies in. Slav brought it to light for me and maybe many of the Forum. The issue was sorted on the Forum, However with some asides thrown in.
My final Footnote being: We are all Scaffolders, however, we are all individuals with individual needs for our families. Do what is right for your own needs,albeit work for a agency or not, that is your perogative of a democratic society.
In shorter terms "Look after no1"
Best regards
Paddy
When i first started working for the company, i was raising a family, there was no wkd work at all. I started doing wkds for a small scaffolding company, albeit cash in hand.:embarrest: just to make ends meet.
My point being, if i was 1 of the lads ,registered to a agency, sitting in the house with, er indoors and the rugrats, clambering all over you, with nowt in your pocket and the bills were running up. the agency could and would be a potential lifeline.
The site i am on has had a Agency labourer on for 6 mths, he lives over the road from the site, so has no travel issues.
The Telehandler FLT driver has went sick with 'Stress' Agency lad there next day.
I can understand the Forum scaffs slating the Agencies, however, there is a identifiable need for them, and i would like to invite Robert Hurst back to the Forum.
As i stated at the start of my post, i have had no dealings with a Agency, however Promises of you will get a start with us here in 6mths,5 year work etc from your mates in the big jobs doesnt put a loaf of bread on your table for that week, or get the bairn the BMX off Santa.
There must as like any other buisness, be diffuculties getting monies in. Slav brought it to light for me and maybe many of the Forum. The issue was sorted on the Forum, However with some asides thrown in.
My final Footnote being: We are all Scaffolders, however, we are all individuals with individual needs for our families. Do what is right for your own needs,albeit work for a agency or not, that is your perogative of a democratic society.
In shorter terms "Look after no1"
Best regards
Paddy
Good point Paddy, However in an ideal world agencies would'nt be required everyone would be working direct for firms, entitled to their dues IE holiday money, travel, PPE, training, and pension schemes and protected by employment laws. Unfortunely its far from ideal so agencies prosper. I agree the first duty of a man is to provide for his family and if he's out of work agencies can be a way of sourcing work, but like any business there is financial risk and rewards, An agency enters into a contract with a client to provide labour, they know the risk, but that risk should not have to be taken on by the men they recruit, If they have fulfilled their end of the agreement and done the work they should be payed in full and on time.There were some posts of the hang em high nature, but withholding their pay until the agency was payed was the main reason for the backlash against the agencies. In the case of the agency in question it was a PR disaster mostly of their own making. Running a company is about the bottom line, but the best way to ensure your bottom line stays steady is to generate trust, confidence in your integrity and good PR. Sadly in this instance all that was missing.
they say will give you work and look after you then when your its done all the they say ok thanks mate will send your money and thats it till they get back to you, id rather go out totting then sale my arse to them
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One of the reasons why companies use agencies especially in the current economic climate is cash flow. Agencies offer their clients a certain amount of credit paying the workers weekly and invoicing the clients monthly which in effect gives a company around six weeks grace before they have to fork out for labour.
As I understand it the problem Slav and his co workers had with RHL came about when one of their clients was unable to pay their bill . As they were employed by RHL its not unreasonable to expect to be paid correctly and on time by RHL regardless of the clients financial position.
To salvage some credibility RHL need to guarantee that in the futre all workers payments will be underwritten by themselves and not be affected by a clients non or late payment.
This forum offers the ideal platform for a representative of RHL to make such a guarantee .
As I understand it the problem Slav and his co workers had with RHL came about when one of their clients was unable to pay their bill . As they were employed by RHL its not unreasonable to expect to be paid correctly and on time by RHL regardless of the clients financial position.
To salvage some credibility RHL need to guarantee that in the futre all workers payments will be underwritten by themselves and not be affected by a clients non or late payment.
This forum offers the ideal platform for a representative of RHL to make such a guarantee .
Sorry Paddy,i dont agree with what your saying but thats your opinion and i respect that. To me Brandy has hit the nail on the head and agree 100%, we dont need these people all there doing is bringing the wages down.
celticbhoy
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wether we agree or disagree matters not,these companys will continue to ply their trade and scaffs will continue to turn up for them,some good some bad some just crap.remember every man has a diffrent set of circumstances from another,paddy made the pertinent point of the debate look after no1.many people sit up in their little castle turrets spouting this and that while giving little thought to the less fortunate below them,what am saying is some guys need these jobs so if we at the forum can point guys to the better agencies then all the better.
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as for not needing these companies mate if full time starts were available dont you think the lads in question would have taken them jobs before going on for agencies????companys arnt taking on,thats why these agencies have the work they have are the lads to sit in the house and play on the forum all day with no money coming in????
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as for not needing these companies mate if full time starts were available dont you think the lads in question would have taken them jobs before going on for agencies????companys arnt taking on,thats why these agencies have the work they have are the lads to sit in the house and play on the forum all day with no money coming in????
celticbhoy
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av read them mate,just my opinion also a maybe wrong just an opinion though.
If I remember correctly mate, Admin mentioned in a previous thread that he had approached some agency's that are members on this forum - but none of them were interested in becoming a sponsor.
So correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't think RH were ever sponsors on here.
paddy carr
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You may be right there mate, i may be getting mixed up with their community site page, cheers for pointing that out mate.
As per your post #29 mate, I find it slightly ironic that we should disagree over such a matter - Myself being a Thatcherite and you being a Union Man!
I agree totally that if lads are offered gainful empoyment through any means, then they would be silly not to take it if there's no better alternative.
What I disagree with, however, is the legal apparatus currently in place that allows this practise to happen. Why should a third party profit from a man's toil in the fields? It's not like there is a particular need for it within our industry. I get calls occssionally asking if we can supply scaffolders on an attendance, or 'daywork' basis - which we can. As I'm sure pretty much any other scaffolding contractor can.
It's not particularly profitable, but at least it allows us to pay our scaffolders the best possible rate. By employing a third party or agency into the equation is only going to have an impact on one person - The wage packet of the poor fukcer doing the graft!
I'm not blaming the lads for taking the work through an agency, I'm blaming the system for allowing it to happen.