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Depends on what you have done in them 8 years Deb , you might only have run lifts in for brickies on house building sites .Or you may have done Tempory roofs , Hangers , cantilevers , Gantrys etc etc
All boils down to experience
 
having just finished my advanced course there are a lot of things learnt in the classroom......

you don't learn tg 20 08 ........tie testing .........etc by osmosis if you are to have a consistent skill level across the board

as you say phil if your doing brickies lifts around houses you get very competent at that type of work which comes with its own problems

so that chap might well have benefited from training to see his legal responsibilities to himself/workers and the public and might well see fit to buy a drill ( and testing kit for a grand) and add some ties
 
There always seems to be plentiful debate regarding experience/certification,but seriously lads you shouldnt need much of either to realise a 5 lift monoflexed scaffold needs properly tying in(positive ties)Common sense is a key ingredient that seems to be missing in many situations and that lads dosent come with experience or neither from a classroom.I think its fair to say you`ve either got it or you aint,and thats meant with the greatest of respect.
 
when i first started the company i took a guy on who had been scaffolding for over 30 years,had his willywonker ticket,and like most of us could talk the talk,i'd personally known him for about 4 years and thought he was quite a catch to get on the payroll- unfortunatley i put him in charge of a large contract just off sloane st in central london- was gonna b a great job for him -crew of 6,front gantryand rear courtyards ,so loads of beamwork with 12 lifts coming off it and a lid over the top- 3 days later he came into the office all appoligetic and wanting to jack-turns out after all these years he'd and never been over a 4th lift,or done anybeamwork, i thought he knew everything there was to know about t&f ...shame but at least he had the strength of character to admit that it was too much for him
 
Fair play I suppose SP, would have been nice if he told you at the start, different when you are the boss I suppose. I'm still great friends with the first guy I worked with off shore as I put my hands up straight away so he knew what he was dealing with.
 
thats the thing thow isnt it, ya here av got 20 years exp ave got 15 me only got 3 but having the exprience what is it is it just time on the spanners ??? you do get thow who are followers and have been for 30 yr and when put in charge arse dropps out but if there told which way to do all the it its not a problem, like southernpoofter says the lad has 30 years exp regardless of the colour of his ticket and time spent scaffolding he wasnt exprience in enough in that job area you crnt put a distinctive yes you have no you havent on exprience its priceless and no 2 scaffs are the same there are leader and there are followers and juging by there time scaffolding and tickent you can never tell if there exprienced
 
it is amazin how some people get thorugh their working life when they are fools . i was at the botlek years ago and we had some irish guy start as a gaffer , in the space of a week he was found out , said he was a systems specialist , spent his evenings smokin crack and then crashed the works van and fucked the job for everybody
 
Same in every walk of life though is it not?

Scaff89 you will be a leader for sure matey, mark my words.;)
 
i suppose , but i think its probably even easier to get by in scaffolding , most other trades people are responsible for their own work , whereas in scaffolding its hard to say who done what , you get the guys who take libertys and you get the grafters who make it easy for these people to get by

my last job i was the least paid of three men and done the most work every day , but the gaffer didnt know that
 
many people can talk a good job up - but experiance will always show when u let em loose to do so,
tckts are a good thing but refresher courses should also be the norm to bring everyone up to spec - you can talk to someone who has had their ticket for over 10 years about TG20 &SG4 but only get a blank look back lolo - yet the newbies will be full of facts and figures,but leave them on there own and the jobs likley to have 50% more tube in then required and taken twice as long lolol
 
Been there quite often JB and a good driving force behind the business. As my Mrs always say's it's the bad times that form us and pushes us on to the good times.

I do know what you mean as well though, I think it's just we are so reliant on big numbers on most jobs but I have maybe been stuck in the wee firm too long where every man has to stand on his own 2 feet pretty sharpish.
 
something that always botherd me was not getting the chance to do anything , i know that if i never quit interslave all those years ago and went to holland , id still be on sites doing boring work and probably not even basing the job out

also my knowledge about tg20 sg4, kn, swl, and other things is nothing short of disgraceful , but if you wanted me to build you a cant drop or hanger then i could do it no probs , for a long time ive been meaning to learn all these things , if i had to go through all those questions on the part 1 course without the answers id get lots of them wrong , which is embarassing
 
jb78 said:
i suppose , but i think its probably even easier to get by in scaffolding , most other trades people are responsible for their own work , whereas in scaffolding its hard to say who done what , you get the guys who take libertys and you get the grafters who make it easy for these people to get by last job i was the least paid of three men and done the most work every day , but the gaffer didnt know that
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aye dont take 3 chippys to put up a door or door frame so there acountable for that door crnt pass the blame on to another chippy

aom said:
Same in every walk of life though is it not?

Scaff89 you will be a leader for sure matey, mark my words.;)
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aye its hard thow marra when ya still only a trainee no 1 goes with ya ideas or plans but 3 mounths down the line thev used my idea and when av said about it all ya get form them is you never said to do it that way on sutch and sutch a job ort then marra i didnt and thats why am not questioning it on here i ort then marra lol next thing ya know ever cant on to it lol

southernpoofter said:
many people can talk a good job up - but experiance will always show when u let em loose to do so,
tckts are a good thing but refresher courses should also be the norm to bring everyone up to spec - you can talk to someone who has had their ticket for over 10 years about TG20 &SG4 but only get a blank look back lolo - yet the newbies will be full of facts and figures,but leave them on there own and the jobs likley to have 50% more tube in then required and taken twice as long lolol
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i a refresher with ya touchscreen test make a day out of it just running threw things with ya working wid lads that thing you only need to place a sway every 100 ft and on corner bays that swivels arnt load baring just need a new kickstart evry 5 years maby week after tg featch theres out would be nice
 
I don't think so JB, there is a lot of people out there who hide behind figures and couldn't build a thing. We have become a nation of great e-mail senders and holding meetings aare a thing in which we excel but as you already know the doers of this world whilst rarely recognised are still the driving force of our trade.

When I did the product course you hate so much it was all the part 1 questions I got wrong, nothing embarrassing about it, it's just the way it is. I was not afraid to share it on the forum and for a laugh put a thread up to see who knew the minimum size of a sole pad on soft ground. Page after page of guesses and it took T-animal fresh from a part 1 training course to tell us the answer.

The real embarrassing thing is, I still couldn't tell you the answer.:embarrest::laugh:

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aye its hard thow marra when ya still only a trainee no 1 goes with ya ideas or plans but 3 mounths down the line thev used my idea and when av said about it all ya get form them is you never said to do it that way on sutch and sutch a job ort then marra i didnt and thats why am not questioning it on here i ort then marra lol next thing ya know ever cant on to it lol


Don't worry too much about what everyone else is doing Marra, remember that where ever you go. Stick to your guns and you will not go far wrong. I did get that at work myself for a bit till the young guns finally stood up for themselves and they have as much input as anyone else on the firm now. You will work your way into a different position with time although sometimes you have to make a move if they are total erses.
 
aom said:
I don't think so JB, there is a lot of people out there who hide behind figures and couldn't build a thing. We have become a nation of great e-mail senders and holding meetings aare a thing in which we excel but as you already know the doers of this world whilst rarely recognised are still the driving force of our trade.

When I did the product course you hate so much it was all the part 1 questions I got wrong, nothing embarrassing about it, it's just the way it is. I was not afraid to share it on the forum and for a laugh put a thread up to see who knew the minimum size of a sole pad on soft ground. Page after page of guesses and it took T-animal fresh from a part 1 training course to tell us the answer.

The real embarrassing thing is, I still couldn't tell you the answer.:embarrest::laugh:
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lol 18 inch but no idea if thats for soft ground or hard ground , but it should support 2 standards were possible so at lease the with of you scaffold lol are fek knows lol
 
lol , thats what i realised there , i dont know , oh the shame

thats the thing , i could pick up a book an if its interesting i'll read the whole thing then and there , but cant seem to pick up anything to do with scaffolding , i will change that , soon
 
scaff1989 said:
lol 18 inch but no idea if thats for soft ground or hard ground , but it should support 2 standards were possible so at lease the with of you scaffold lol are fek knows lol
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Quite a bit short marra.;)
 
jb78 said:
lol , thats what i realised there , i dont know , oh the shame

thats the thing , i could pick up a book an if its interesting i'll read the whole thing then and there , but cant seem to pick up anything to do with scaffolding , i will change that , soon
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lol books i crnt read them for the life of me by the time av turned the page av forgot what the previous 4 paragraphs were on about i dont read how ya supost to i just read words sometimes the click together some times they dont lol but any thing thats factuall has information just seem to stick in my head 1066 battle of hasting every 1 knows that 1666? any 1 know that an no its not the larger variety lol its the great fire of london/ the plague dont aks me why things that have no advantages in life sink in i have no idea they just do

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aom said:
Quite a bit short marra.;)
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aye its still 18 inch or two standards lol
 
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