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north sea scaff
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hello. heard a ugly rumor today that some rigs are going 3x3. anyone else heard anything on the same lines?
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scaffarobbo
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Yep, can confirm it`s the same on Talisman rigs, Don`t know if it`s just a case of scare tactics so that when they make cuts it don`t seem so bad. Could be offshore ain`t the be all and end all people think. i have been offshore many years but will be looking for a change if it goes 3x3 so there could be a few openings as a few of the lads feel the same.
happyhugenoet
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sadly its been coming and the fact that there are men still in their survival suits asking for extra time only played into their hands.
The good thing that may come out of this (IF THERES ANY GOOD ) will be no more extra time for the cuunts.
The good thing that may come out of this (IF THERES ANY GOOD ) will be no more extra time for the cuunts.
scaffarobbo
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Correct Happy although I don`t blame the guys who are short term adhoc for filling their boots, it`s the long termers that get on my goat, it`s a decent living offshore but some just rip the ar$e out of it.
Aye! the money monsters will love the 3x3 rotas. Were they not taking about that on some of the platforms last year, going 3x3 when they had the issues with the choppers?. Bad enough doing 2wks out there sometimes, never mind 3 wks. Ram it!!!
Good day all hope all is well
Big rumours and Big cuts to come offshore ,There will be statement today as talks with the Union and Oil&Gas cartels are ongoing.
In the mean time get yourself organised as they hate it when the troops get ready
If everybody gets union membership we will be in good shape to take any cuts that are forced on us.
No point in us slagging of each other yet
I will keep you posted on any change I hear,
If anyone gets any thing in black and white please post it ??
Big rumours and Big cuts to come offshore ,There will be statement today as talks with the Union and Oil&Gas cartels are ongoing.
In the mean time get yourself organised as they hate it when the troops get ready
If everybody gets union membership we will be in good shape to take any cuts that are forced on us.
No point in us slagging of each other yet
I will keep you posted on any change I hear,
If anyone gets any thing in black and white please post it ??
Marathon are going 3x3 in March got told at start of week. There are major redundencies aswell in the Brae field . Stork, Salamis, Cape and all other contractors been told to cut costs by 10%. 3X3 for all contractors by summer is on the cards.
Yes bad news all round but, and I mean BUT,,, thinks could change IF UNITE get there backbone out and call for Industrial action .
Or will this so call offshore UNION just sit back and let the OIL Cartels steam roll all these condition that have taken years to produce,
Feck me the Scaffolders will be turning in there graves
Or will this so call offshore UNION just sit back and let the OIL Cartels steam roll all these condition that have taken years to produce,
Feck me the Scaffolders will be turning in there graves
Up date from the meeting yesterday All might not be lossed
North Sea Oil Crisis: Energy billionaire calls for big business to hold its nerve as jobs are threatened - Daily Record
North Sea Oil Crisis: Energy billionaire calls for big business to hold its nerve as jobs are threatened - Daily Record
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Hi guys been trying to get work abroad for years now with no luck im offshore have been for years North sea , if anyone can help me would be much appreciated been scaffolding for over 15 years
Hi guys been trying to get work abroad for years now with no luck im offshore have been for years North sea , if anyone can help me would be much appreciated been scaffolding for over 15 years
Just been confirmed Apache 3x3 all contractors and permanent staff. It the first heard that client staff 3x3. BP Next to tell all contractors the whisper is £ 40 of day rate for contractors
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True
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True
£40 a day is better than no Job at all
I think its a stand off between the Tax man and the Oil Cartels >>
Waiting for the next move mean while back at the ranch Unite sitting back ,
letting all these terms and conditions disappear over night because they do not have a clue what to do,
Cant even send out any way forward for there members
See what happens next week ??
I think its a stand off between the Tax man and the Oil Cartels >>
Waiting for the next move mean while back at the ranch Unite sitting back ,
letting all these terms and conditions disappear over night because they do not have a clue what to do,
Cant even send out any way forward for there members
See what happens next week ??
Here so info from my offshore union Oilc
Still no word from Unite ??
Special Edition - Enough is Enough.
Please click on the link below to download a special edition of Enough is Enough.
Web EiE 210115-1
Still no word from Unite ??
Special Edition - Enough is Enough.
Please click on the link below to download a special edition of Enough is Enough.
Web EiE 210115-1
north sea scaff
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Now lads. The 3 x3 story gone a bit quite again,anything happening. Still nothing from unite.
Long-standing UK North Sea trade union leader, Jake Molloy of the RMT, is warning bosses against sacrificing the workforce or compromising safety in their re-found zeal to slash costs in the face of collapsed oil prices coupled with a fiscal regime judged unfit for purpose.
He accuses managers of not learning from the past, being short-sighted, of destroying hard-won trust among the workforce and warns that offshore safety will be compromised.
Not only that, such actions will cost the industry dear in financial terms.
“We are being told the industry is not in crisis, we just need to work together to prepare ourselves for the future,” says Molloy in a letter to members, some of whom have probably already been fired.
“Industry says the only way we can continue to produce is by forcing workers to move from current shift patterns of 2:2 (two weeks on : two weeks off) or the more favourable 2:3 and instead work extended shift patterns of 3:3.
“Not only that; in some cases you will be forced to sacrifice any paid leave you may have!”
But Molloy warns that the three on : three off drive will only affect those who remain in work during this “non-crisis”, mostly those involved on production installations in maintenance and engineering.
“This is down to the fact there is another approach being adopted by industry, mass redundancy, with drilling activity being slashed across the sector and thousands of drilling workers being dumped.
“This is despite being told by industry only a few short months ago that we had a skills shortage!
“Any sense of engagement which is vital to improving behaviours and attitudes and in turn safety performance will be destroyed, as the operators drive through these ‘slash and burn’ measures.
“A negative impact on safety performance will inevitably have a detrimental impact on production performance.
“Costs will increase as operations suffer, and moreover the human cost in terms of accidents, injuries and fatalities, will cause untold grief for those affected and their families, as well as seriously damaging the reputation of operators.
“We can confidently make these claims because we’ve been here before. We’ve seen the result of the ‘slash and burn’ approach in years gone by where the fatality rate, serious injury rate, and hydrocarbon release rate have all increased as a consequence of short-sighted cost cutting.”
Focusing on the drive for production efficiency, Molloy defends pay awards to rank and file workers, saying that pay has largely been in line with inflation or only slightly above.
Molloy insists that the fat-cats are senior people, consultants, engineers and others along with inflated bonuses aimed at retaining these high-end earners.
“Indeed, the industry has created this environment where they are paying well above the odds and picking from the same group, rather than investing in new people and keeping costs under control.
“In short, industry leaders have failed to manage this and have taken the easy option of throwing money at people while oil prices were high, and now – the offshore workforce is being asked to pay for that management failure.”
Molloy insists too that production efficiency has dropped off because of a failure to invest in plant and equipment, as the drive to produce oil while the price was high became the imperative.
As a consequence of this approach workers have witnessed the widespread use of “Operational Risk Assessments” (ORAs) to maintain production while systems fail, generating extensive backlogs in maintenance.
When eventually forced to shut down to deal with an ever increasing catalogue of faults and repairs, the period of non-production has inevitably been longer and so production efficiency has suffered.
Molloy: “The workforce haven’t failed in this respect, they have been spectators watching this sorry tail unfold. Indeed, only a few months ago, the Step Change Elected Safety Reps group told industry leaders there was a continuing conflict between safety and production and that too many jobs were either not being done or were never completed.”
He said too that workers and their unions had got behind industry bosses, hoping that the idea of working collaboratively in a tripartite approach would succeed. In short, workers had chosen to trust, even supporting the new super-regulator.
Today, Molloy senses betrayal; workers being hung out to dry.
He refers to a letter issued to employees of BIS Salamis working 2:2 and 2:3 shift rotations for Marathon Oil in the Brae fields complex. In a nutshell, Marathon is dictating that offshore workers will be obliged to shift to a 21 days on : 21 days off shift pattern.
The letter says: “We have also been required to review the practice of those who work offshore taking holidays during periods of offshore working, rather than field break.
“Marathon have advised that in order to maintain efficiencies on their Brae Field assets employees will be required to work annual offshore rotation each year, meaning that holidays would require to be taken during field break only.”
Molloy: “BIS Salamis are calling this ‘consultation’, but it is clear this is a done deal! Marathon are dictating what will happen and it’s the exact same ‘done deal’ as Apache have applied to all contractors and staff on the Forties and Beryl Fields, 3:3 from April/May, like it or not!
“So much for the ‘new era’ of a tripartite approach and collaborative working! The industry has very quickly reverted to its old ways and are driving the changes through irrespective of any concerns about extended working hours with increased workloads and the impact of this on workers’ health and safety and the safety of operations.
“Not only this, they are telling concerned workers that the HSE have no issues with these changes, despite the existence of an HSE commissioned survey from 2010 which seriously questions the adoption of 3:3 shift patterns.
“And finally they are increasing working hours and workloads by reducing staff numbers, when extensive backlogs of maintenance already exist!”
He accuses managers of not learning from the past, being short-sighted, of destroying hard-won trust among the workforce and warns that offshore safety will be compromised.
Not only that, such actions will cost the industry dear in financial terms.
“We are being told the industry is not in crisis, we just need to work together to prepare ourselves for the future,” says Molloy in a letter to members, some of whom have probably already been fired.
“Industry says the only way we can continue to produce is by forcing workers to move from current shift patterns of 2:2 (two weeks on : two weeks off) or the more favourable 2:3 and instead work extended shift patterns of 3:3.
“Not only that; in some cases you will be forced to sacrifice any paid leave you may have!”
But Molloy warns that the three on : three off drive will only affect those who remain in work during this “non-crisis”, mostly those involved on production installations in maintenance and engineering.
“This is down to the fact there is another approach being adopted by industry, mass redundancy, with drilling activity being slashed across the sector and thousands of drilling workers being dumped.
“This is despite being told by industry only a few short months ago that we had a skills shortage!
“Any sense of engagement which is vital to improving behaviours and attitudes and in turn safety performance will be destroyed, as the operators drive through these ‘slash and burn’ measures.
“A negative impact on safety performance will inevitably have a detrimental impact on production performance.
“Costs will increase as operations suffer, and moreover the human cost in terms of accidents, injuries and fatalities, will cause untold grief for those affected and their families, as well as seriously damaging the reputation of operators.
“We can confidently make these claims because we’ve been here before. We’ve seen the result of the ‘slash and burn’ approach in years gone by where the fatality rate, serious injury rate, and hydrocarbon release rate have all increased as a consequence of short-sighted cost cutting.”
Focusing on the drive for production efficiency, Molloy defends pay awards to rank and file workers, saying that pay has largely been in line with inflation or only slightly above.
Molloy insists that the fat-cats are senior people, consultants, engineers and others along with inflated bonuses aimed at retaining these high-end earners.
“Indeed, the industry has created this environment where they are paying well above the odds and picking from the same group, rather than investing in new people and keeping costs under control.
“In short, industry leaders have failed to manage this and have taken the easy option of throwing money at people while oil prices were high, and now – the offshore workforce is being asked to pay for that management failure.”
Molloy insists too that production efficiency has dropped off because of a failure to invest in plant and equipment, as the drive to produce oil while the price was high became the imperative.
As a consequence of this approach workers have witnessed the widespread use of “Operational Risk Assessments” (ORAs) to maintain production while systems fail, generating extensive backlogs in maintenance.
When eventually forced to shut down to deal with an ever increasing catalogue of faults and repairs, the period of non-production has inevitably been longer and so production efficiency has suffered.
Molloy: “The workforce haven’t failed in this respect, they have been spectators watching this sorry tail unfold. Indeed, only a few months ago, the Step Change Elected Safety Reps group told industry leaders there was a continuing conflict between safety and production and that too many jobs were either not being done or were never completed.”
He said too that workers and their unions had got behind industry bosses, hoping that the idea of working collaboratively in a tripartite approach would succeed. In short, workers had chosen to trust, even supporting the new super-regulator.
Today, Molloy senses betrayal; workers being hung out to dry.
He refers to a letter issued to employees of BIS Salamis working 2:2 and 2:3 shift rotations for Marathon Oil in the Brae fields complex. In a nutshell, Marathon is dictating that offshore workers will be obliged to shift to a 21 days on : 21 days off shift pattern.
The letter says: “We have also been required to review the practice of those who work offshore taking holidays during periods of offshore working, rather than field break.
“Marathon have advised that in order to maintain efficiencies on their Brae Field assets employees will be required to work annual offshore rotation each year, meaning that holidays would require to be taken during field break only.”
Molloy: “BIS Salamis are calling this ‘consultation’, but it is clear this is a done deal! Marathon are dictating what will happen and it’s the exact same ‘done deal’ as Apache have applied to all contractors and staff on the Forties and Beryl Fields, 3:3 from April/May, like it or not!
“So much for the ‘new era’ of a tripartite approach and collaborative working! The industry has very quickly reverted to its old ways and are driving the changes through irrespective of any concerns about extended working hours with increased workloads and the impact of this on workers’ health and safety and the safety of operations.
“Not only this, they are telling concerned workers that the HSE have no issues with these changes, despite the existence of an HSE commissioned survey from 2010 which seriously questions the adoption of 3:3 shift patterns.
“And finally they are increasing working hours and workloads by reducing staff numbers, when extensive backlogs of maintenance already exist!”
north sea scaff
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hello all. if this 3x3 does get forced up on us all,what happens after your 3 weeks is up and you cant get away home do they want you just to work on until the next chopper? which could be days away with whats happening with choppers just lately ie weather and tech problems.