How are the big nationals paying their way?
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Garry Adams
Well-known member
Tut Tut---give the Council a wee vist and set them streaght---they are the Principal and are Breaching Statutory requirements...
paddy carr
Moderator
Must of been the Library,'Annual Ball' paid for by my fines, i could never get my head round, Janet & John, i was keeping it for the 'Juicey bits'
Garry Adams
Well-known member
aom
Aye, no Fan Lift Protection---shameful---Council out of compliance on their Tendering and approved contractors list
Aye, no Fan Lift Protection---shameful---Council out of compliance on their Tendering and approved contractors list
Rigger
Moderator
I have in the past reported "dangerous" scaffolds to the local Highways Authority it is there responsability to keep the highways and footpaths "safe".
once you have reported it they will not dare ignore your request in case something did happen.If a street permit has been granted they know the builder or PC involved.They also have the power to dismantle the offending scaffold and bill the builder or Scaff Co. who put it up. In the interest of safety to the public
once you have reported it they will not dare ignore your request in case something did happen.If a street permit has been granted they know the builder or PC involved.They also have the power to dismantle the offending scaffold and bill the builder or Scaff Co. who put it up. In the interest of safety to the public
Garry Adams
Well-known member
aom
Re: Rigger's last post---you could put in a price to srike the lot M8
Re: Rigger's last post---you could put in a price to srike the lot M8
Gary,
I am a member of the nasc who as you know are trying to make it compulsory for any permit holder to use a member. I realise that is a step too far as they are still very much in the minority, but when you see jobs like that you can almost see the train of thought. They are encouraging members to aproach their issuing authority and lobby them to that effect. I never liked the idea much as there is so many way,s round any legislation. A recent experience with one so called national who claimed to use only members was willing to take anyone on their site as long as it was through a third party contractor. I think the long and short of it is no one is really interested untill disaster strikes then watch the scramble to get to the moral high ground.
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I do know the guy in the council quite well, maybe I should give him a call.
I am a member of the nasc who as you know are trying to make it compulsory for any permit holder to use a member. I realise that is a step too far as they are still very much in the minority, but when you see jobs like that you can almost see the train of thought. They are encouraging members to aproach their issuing authority and lobby them to that effect. I never liked the idea much as there is so many way,s round any legislation. A recent experience with one so called national who claimed to use only members was willing to take anyone on their site as long as it was through a third party contractor. I think the long and short of it is no one is really interested untill disaster strikes then watch the scramble to get to the moral high ground.
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I do know the guy in the council quite well, maybe I should give him a call.
paddy carr
Moderator
Rigger mate
As you have stated, about the council dismantling scaffold.
A lot of years ago in Newcastle, a council standby crew were called out one night about a unstable scaffold.
The Slates had been stripped off a roof, and stacked on the outside of the scaff, the front of the scaff had a couple of rakers onto the base of a garden dwarf wall.
I cant quite remember the scenario, however, 2 council workers, Plumbers i think were on standby, the first thing they did, (Nightime as well) loosen the rakers.
Result.........RIP
As you have stated, about the council dismantling scaffold.
A lot of years ago in Newcastle, a council standby crew were called out one night about a unstable scaffold.
The Slates had been stripped off a roof, and stacked on the outside of the scaff, the front of the scaff had a couple of rakers onto the base of a garden dwarf wall.
I cant quite remember the scenario, however, 2 council workers, Plumbers i think were on standby, the first thing they did, (Nightime as well) loosen the rakers.
Result.........RIP
Rigger
Moderator
Have taken two jobs down for the Highways
3 men two hours, transport, storage for 3month, £1,700
forget what I charged the other but it was an earner I was on the Emergency action shortlist for the highways for a number of years
I have fat fingers as well as a fat c***
3 men two hours, transport, storage for 3month, £1,700
forget what I charged the other but it was an earner I was on the Emergency action shortlist for the highways for a number of years
I have fat fingers as well as a fat c***
Garry Adams
Well-known member
aom
I too can see where NASC is coming from with the proposed new form for Street Permits, however, the section where the Contractor's name and Nasc Membership is required is a wee step too far---perhaps a generic Street Permit would work bUT it would have to include ALL Contractors NASC or Not---
And you hit the nail on the head---when the $hite hits the fanthey all point the finger...
I too can see where NASC is coming from with the proposed new form for Street Permits, however, the section where the Contractor's name and Nasc Membership is required is a wee step too far---perhaps a generic Street Permit would work bUT it would have to include ALL Contractors NASC or Not---
And you hit the nail on the head---when the $hite hits the fanthey all point the finger...
I still think our point about more inspectors is a valid one and a good way to go. I don't want to see prohibitions getting dished out like confetti on VE day but improvement orders and education, I include myself in that, with all the changes I'm more confused than ever, with some telling me I need a drawing for what I call basic and others telling me I don't.
Garry Adams
Well-known member
aom
Do the Council Man a favour and have a wee word in his shell like---after all if the Council is prosicuted the Fine will come out of the Council Coffers and thats you money too...
Do the Council Man a favour and have a wee word in his shell like---after all if the Council is prosicuted the Fine will come out of the Council Coffers and thats you money too...
aom
Aye, no Fan Lift Protection---shameful---Council out of compliance on their Tendering and approved contractors list
Gary,
I met a couple of good guy's from Kent at one of the meetings who were telling me that they had spent a fortune getting iso900 and loads of other things to get on a council tender list only to find out the council very rarely put scaffold out to tender seperately so it get's bunged in with the build tender which allows anybody to erect the actual scaffold. Also another thought that has always bugged me is insurance I'm always being told that we are getting charged thousands because we are high risk when a builder is charged a fraction of the cost but gets to erect scaffold under the banner of associated activities. Maybe that is for another thread.
Rigger
Moderator
CDM 2007 - Clients
A client is an individual or organisation who in the course or furtherance of a business, has a construction project carried out by another or by himself
This excludes domestic clients from the definition,but not necessarily domestic premises
A domestic client is someone who lives, or will live live, in the premises where the work is carried out
The CDM regulations will still apply to domestic premises if the client is a :
Local Authority, Landlord, Housing Association, Charity, Collective or Leashold, or any other trade,business,or undertaking (wether for profit or not)
had to check that one from my tomes,
A client is an individual or organisation who in the course or furtherance of a business, has a construction project carried out by another or by himself
This excludes domestic clients from the definition,but not necessarily domestic premises
A domestic client is someone who lives, or will live live, in the premises where the work is carried out
The CDM regulations will still apply to domestic premises if the client is a :
Local Authority, Landlord, Housing Association, Charity, Collective or Leashold, or any other trade,business,or undertaking (wether for profit or not)
had to check that one from my tomes,
R
ragscaff
Guest
Name & shame??
Difficult one, seen that before & that was at school, ends up with the old one my mate can beat up your mate. Make sure your house is in good order & the rest will be caught out in the end.
Main contractors need to take a close look at themselves. There is a lot more to scaffolding than just wearing a harness!!
In one of my reports I have stated that the HSE see a competant person as ticketed the new regs I am told confirms this. So if anyone who has not got a ticket is putting up scaffold it is illegal.
Private dwellings ??
HSE will have fun with this one
Ragscaff
Difficult one, seen that before & that was at school, ends up with the old one my mate can beat up your mate. Make sure your house is in good order & the rest will be caught out in the end.
Main contractors need to take a close look at themselves. There is a lot more to scaffolding than just wearing a harness!!
In one of my reports I have stated that the HSE see a competant person as ticketed the new regs I am told confirms this. So if anyone who has not got a ticket is putting up scaffold it is illegal.
Private dwellings ??
HSE will have fun with this one
Ragscaff
Garry Adams
Well-known member
aom
accociated activities: aye, a Builder can erect System up to 5 Meters, however, it must be in compliance and usualy need some form of physical tie in, Buttress or rakers which needs T&F, for which you need to be Trained and Ticketed.
In most cases of Scaffold Firms we are classed on the activities as you know---Specialisims like Hangers over water under Peirs and Ferry Ramps ect---
The non T&T'd will cherry pick the easy ones wich leaves the more complex to the likes of us---unfair !
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ragscaff
Did the HSE out line demarcation lines in the Trained and Ticketed---Im thinking of those Day and a Dinner Scaffolding Inspection Courses ! are they entitled to remove or adapt a Scaffold Structure to suit their purpose ???
Just a passing thought
accociated activities: aye, a Builder can erect System up to 5 Meters, however, it must be in compliance and usualy need some form of physical tie in, Buttress or rakers which needs T&F, for which you need to be Trained and Ticketed.
In most cases of Scaffold Firms we are classed on the activities as you know---Specialisims like Hangers over water under Peirs and Ferry Ramps ect---
The non T&T'd will cherry pick the easy ones wich leaves the more complex to the likes of us---unfair !
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ragscaff
Did the HSE out line demarcation lines in the Trained and Ticketed---Im thinking of those Day and a Dinner Scaffolding Inspection Courses ! are they entitled to remove or adapt a Scaffold Structure to suit their purpose ???
Just a passing thought
Gary,
Nail on the head with that one, these smaller jobs were our bread and butter and will be again when they get busy again but it's tough on the scaff in the mean time. It's not just the small guy that is struggling all the majors are struggling as well. I caught a glimpse of a report in the construction news that carried a report on how much they have lost this year. There is a young boy on another thread moaning about being stuck in the yard due to lack of work but imagine how his gaffer must be feeling. However, there is no greater incentive than no other alternative, adapt and over come that is after all why we get out of bed in the morning.
Nail on the head with that one, these smaller jobs were our bread and butter and will be again when they get busy again but it's tough on the scaff in the mean time. It's not just the small guy that is struggling all the majors are struggling as well. I caught a glimpse of a report in the construction news that carried a report on how much they have lost this year. There is a young boy on another thread moaning about being stuck in the yard due to lack of work but imagine how his gaffer must be feeling. However, there is no greater incentive than no other alternative, adapt and over come that is after all why we get out of bed in the morning.
Garry Adams
Well-known member
aom
aye, march or die
aye, march or die
R
ragscaff
Guest
I qouted to the HSE that so called site agents who have taken the two day course feel they can adapt any scaffold. The answer back was trained & ticketed, I am told the new guidlines will state to CISRS standard.
Meaning no adaptions from two day wonders:nuts:
Ragscaff
Meaning no adaptions from two day wonders:nuts:
Ragscaff
Garry Adams
Well-known member
ragscaff
Got to agree there---NO DILUTIES should be any where near a set of Keys
Got to agree there---NO DILUTIES should be any where near a set of Keys