COTs

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Shouldnt our first reaction be NO! How much longer are we going to take this parasitic drain on our families quality of life.....it only benefits the pockets of those we pay to do it.....even john major the ex tory prime minister has come out and said how disgusting the powers that be are taking advantage of us.....dont recognise it and carry on regardless!
 
Not as easy as that joe if i got a crew going out to a job they gotta be qualified to do it or the agent under advise from the SSO will refuse them entry on site. So the word mandatory really means monetary.
 
But isnt the only way to stop this is to make a stand.....surely if we keep on accepting it as the norm we are commiting ourselves to a working life of more and more cards!
 
Is this already in?cant you book a touch screen and apply for your card as normal?
 
CISRS Training Manager, David Mosley said: “These new compulsory courses are a very welcome addition to the CISRS Scheme – teaching all new entrants and labourers the basics of the industry and how to keep safe when working with scaffolding and access solutions, whilst also making sure existing operatives are up to date. And prioritising safe practices at work can only be a positive move. This also helps the scaffolding sector meet the UKCG requirement that every operative must have received some formal training before being allowed onto their sites.”

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Double-Standards said:
CISRS Training Manager, David Mosley said: “These new compulsory courses are a very welcome addition to the CISRS Scheme – teaching all new entrants and labourers the basics of the industry and how to keep safe when working with scaffolding and access solutions, whilst also making sure existing operatives are up to date. And prioritising safe practices at work can only be a positive move. This also helps the scaffolding sector meet the UKCG requirement that every operative must have received some formal training before being allowed onto their sites.”

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Or roughly translated "More money for us"

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Was wondering if hod carriers or plasterers labs or any other trades labs will have to get separate training or cards? Or is it just the Cash cow scaffs?
 
DD if this is so then why the fek are training schools putting men through cisrs scaffolding courses when they have never been on site and if the legend mr Moseley thinks its appropriate towards the industry does he not think this is truly hypocritical move on his behalf when men with no experience can come out of a training school registered as a scaffolder I know we have had difference of opinions in the past but does the bells start ringing and say money maker I think mr m should clamp down on training schools and bring back onsite assessment and if your ready we will send you for the part one and let them stay with cscs touch screen health & safety card until they have progressed to earn recognition and proved themselves as competent towards training in the erection and dismantling of scaffolding personally nasc are the monopoly of the scaffolding core and are creating enemies as where no one will want anything to do with them and if mr m can justify someone being passed on his part one when they don't have a clue which way the double goes then there is only one thing nasc are involved in an that is corruption greed and dirty filthy under handed double standards of hypocrisy and ps the answer to your question I was born on shoreham st Sheffield and still frequent my old haunt with plenty of respect from my old school pals who have plenty of links to infamous bbc but who I sadly am at an age where all I want to do is do my graft and come home to a warm fire
 
southernpoofter said:
Think you have to jump through a load of hoops m8..the pack contains criteria that most small to medium sized companies will be unable to meet to allow them to do it in house.lets face it between their touchscreen & intial welcome to the company then site induction 90% of the syllabus is covered with the remainder being common sense. It just infuriates me that this is compulsary- for the time being the smaller tea& biscuit companys will avoid it, but with the medium size companies & their SSO it will hit us straight away.for instance one of my trainees tckt runs out after xmas, so they wont renew it unless he does the cots. Wages,fuel & course fees im not gonna get any change out of £350-400 bit of a pisss take when you concider the renewal would only have been £35ish
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I haven't looked into it to be honest other than to find out if I could do it myself. There can't be that many more hoops to jump through and I won't be sending any boys to Glasgow for a day that I do know.
 
You can't beat them so might as well join them,

Harsh but true!

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southernpoofter said:
Think you have to jump through a load of hoops m8..the pack contains criteria that most small to medium sized companies will be unable to meet to allow them to do it in house.lets face it between their touchscreen & intial welcome to the company then site induction 90% of the syllabus is covered with the remainder being common sense. It just infuriates me that this is compulsary- for the time being the smaller tea& biscuit companys will avoid it, but with the medium size companies & their SSO it will hit us straight away.for instance one of my trainees tckt runs out after xmas, so they wont renew it unless he does the cots. Wages,fuel & course fees im not gonna get any change out of £350-400 bit of a pisss take when you concider the renewal would only have been £35ish
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Same gonna happen to me then, f.uck sake!
 
Get a few together and then get a trainer to come to you. Won't suit all but it could work for others.
 
As far as i can tell if u wanna do it in house than u must hold a trainer/teacher qual, have a designated classroom with full training facilities etc.gonna try & contact them to discuss tomorror again but as norm they either dont answer the phone or emails & theres limited info on their site.
Even if your gonna think of bringing a trainer in Al its still gonna cost, although if ur registered u can claim a grant.
 
Does anyone know when this kicks in?i've got a couple of lads that need their card renewing,am I wasting my time sending them on their touchscreen?:wondering:
 
steelcitycowboy said:
DD if this is so then why the fek are training schools putting men through cisrs scaffolding courses when they have never been on site and if the legend mr Moseley thinks its appropriate towards the industry does he not think this is truly hypocritical move on his behalf when men with no experience can come out of a training school registered as a scaffolder I know we have had difference of opinions in the past but does the bells start ringing and say money maker I think mr m should clamp down on training schools and bring back onsite assessment and if your ready we will send you for the part one and let them stay with cscs touch screen health & safety card until they have progressed to earn recognition and proved themselves as competent towards training in the erection and dismantling of scaffolding personally nasc are the monopoly of the scaffolding core and are creating enemies as where no one will want anything to do with them and if mr m can justify someone being passed on his part one when they don't have a clue which way the double goes then there is only one thing nasc are involved in an that is corruption greed and dirty filthy under handed double standards of hypocrisy and ps the answer to your question I was born on shoreham st Sheffield and still frequent my old haunt with plenty of respect from my old school pals who have plenty of links to infamous bbc but who I sadly am at an age where all I want to do is do my graft and come home to a warm fire
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The whole training system needs changing and scaffold companies are now paying to keep the training centres open. With regards to COTs this is training that can be done in house , but it must be done to conform to the health and safety at work act 1974 , everyone is entitled to sufficient training before being put to work. The fact is do we really need a Part 1 through to Advanced ticket system and then separate tickets for system. I think having sat on a just about every course going you soon find that the course material is all the same.
A scaffold is a scaffold why you require 4 tickets to get to the stage of being able to erect the advanced structures in the eyes of CISRS is a bit of a joke ( an expensive joke at that) . The tickets scam needs changing and the only way to do that is by getting a reputable training accreditation involved in place of CISRS.
I also heard that up until as recently as last year a training centre in the north east was still training to the old British standards, I also hear a certain Mr DM is or was on the committee members list which is a bit of a joke , whether it is true or not I cannot say .
 
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Have the working at height regs been changed from competent to trained yet?

The last meeting with the HSE I was told no.

Ragscaff
 
No but the health and safety at work act 1974 states you should provide training. If an accident occurs the HSE will always use the haswa1974 section 2 for prosecution
 
So if you provide documentation that works along side your rams with induction & stage training that would be enough?

Ragscaff
 
That would depend on the content and the competence of the person putting it all together. Refer to section 5 of the work at height regs which states" every employer shall ensure that no person engages in any activity , including organisation , planning and supervision in relation to work at height or work equipment for use in such work unless he is competent to do so or , if being trained , is being supervised by a competent person"
 
Kind of...the training provided has to be given by a qualified person.& the proof of competance is the key thing u gotta remember your guilty till u prove ur innocence if anything goes wrong so you couldnt say yeh i inducted him in manual handling techniques that ive used cos i got my advanced & been doin the job for 10 years- you have to prove that you yourself have the relevent training,paperwork,presentation documentation &a way of recording it.
Tbh the whole things not a bad idea in principle its just the way its been introduced under the raydar that get to me- how easy would it be,if they where genuinely concerned for labourers saftey then why not introduce it as a freedownload powerpoint with associated doct to return to citb....lets face it we're good enough to act as WBR for the portfolios that form part of the NVQ so other than a cash cow,it just doest seem to make any sense
 
That would mean yes then, if you are able to run a scaffold firm you would surely be deemed competent to undertake an induction that would be part of your RAMS & training matrix. After all most companies would have all this in place now. COTS should be offered to the ones that have not!!

After all what is the difference to any site induction, these are done by site agents that have not had any formal training in teaching.

Most supervisors & managers will have CSCS, which is a test, quite a few would have SSSTS or similar which is training. Some have in house training by guys who have the above & most of all years of experience in the Industry.

So I do not see the problem offering a course, the problem is forcing everyone to do it when it is not needed.

Regards Stewart
 
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