Tickets? Do you think they are as important as they are made out to be??
happyhugenoet
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the card is proof of training and the end of a paperchain if the unthinkable happens,thats why the big companies hse etc back it,so they can blame.
its also handy for the insurance industry,BUT there may well come a day when in a court of law it can be proved that a carded man is not competant although Qualified.
its also handy for the insurance industry,BUT there may well come a day when in a court of law it can be proved that a carded man is not competant although Qualified.
Yep I had to go down 21 droppers on my first trip ha ha.(I started scaffolding offshore)
As regards to tickets they are a legal requirement end of .You don't drive a car without a License
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It seems you guys have the same problems as we do. We had a guy who put his toeboard on the outside of his scaffold and this was for his journeyman ticket. He passed anyways the problem is the schools but as well as the companies cause all they see is money, the law comes in affect when there is an incident. In Alberta the fines can run up to 500.000 dollars but this depends on the severity of the incident. In my eyes the instructor was incompetent and never should have passed this guy. Actually the same guy had to help me with my build but I refused him to be even on the deck. A ticket is nothing more then a piece of laminated card that gives you a better wage, experience is build in the field not through a ticket. Heck I'm still learning new stuff everyday your never too young to learn.
Thats'a new one ! Never saw that did you Charlie?
Good post Dutch can.
And Nick, It not the driving instuctor that tests you.
Ive done and passed courses run by instructors,who then test you,so your hardly gonna fail are you?
Legal requirement by who.If Not the govt.
And Nick, It not the driving instuctor that tests you.
Ive done and passed courses run by instructors,who then test you,so your hardly gonna fail are you?
Legal requirement by who.If Not the govt.
happyhugenoet
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i had visions of his belt falling to the ground when he undid it to re position himself and hes the instructor? WORRYING VERY WORRYING
The driving license shows you have some competence at driving the car,it is proof sort of.
Try having an accident at work and the HSE find that men are working without tickets (proof of competence ) .The boss would have to win the lottery to pay the fine
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i had visions of his belt falling to the ground when he undid it to re position himself and hes the instructor? WORRYING VERY WORRYING
I'm still trying to work it out ,you are say 80 ft up ,with your dropper hanging off a beam or a needle and you take your belt off then tie it around the dropper and your waist then away you go.!
It must of been an awful big belt.
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you may laugh charlie but this woz the norm 20yrs ago you felll off you died only the olde school will no this today its harness and safety reels put into action in the 80 and 90s you fell you fell kingsnorth powerstation charlie waltham pat ward both exsperience scaffolders dead.you youngsters today havent got a clue what scaffolders did to earn a living today your rapped up in cotton wall
It might of been the norm where you worked ,but me and the ,
"youngster" Charlie who have done a few hangers in our time ,have never seen it.(scaffold belts around droppers)When I started scaffolding going down droppers without a harness was the norm.Thank god its not like that any more.
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So talking about tickets do you guys go to school and what kind of school and how long is this course ?
I'm a union worker and here it's done through them as long as your a member I don't know where to go if your not a member. Courses here take up to 3 weeks but that's because there is nothing in the weekend. It's not a bad course as long as the instructor is competent as well.
As a 1st year you have to have 1300 hours before you can go to the level 1 course also you won't be a 1st year until your anniversary date comes up for example: joined February 1 2013 - anniversary date is Febuary 1 2014. For 2nd year 2600 hours and 3rd year 3900 hours. The hours get registered in a red book which they carry from job to job too bad if you lose it then you got to call the companies you worked and try to get the hours again. This is how it's done here it's a good system but it has it's flaws like every system has.
P.S. Anybody looking for a supervisor ?........
I'm a union worker and here it's done through them as long as your a member I don't know where to go if your not a member. Courses here take up to 3 weeks but that's because there is nothing in the weekend. It's not a bad course as long as the instructor is competent as well.
As a 1st year you have to have 1300 hours before you can go to the level 1 course also you won't be a 1st year until your anniversary date comes up for example: joined February 1 2013 - anniversary date is Febuary 1 2014. For 2nd year 2600 hours and 3rd year 3900 hours. The hours get registered in a red book which they carry from job to job too bad if you lose it then you got to call the companies you worked and try to get the hours again. This is how it's done here it's a good system but it has it's flaws like every system has.
P.S. Anybody looking for a supervisor ?........
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The regulations state competency which includes training. It does not stipulate CISRS.
Training is a necessary part of competency. The scaffolders who did the assessed route through CISRS did not do any training therefore they are not competent. Is this why CISRS stopped the assessed route as they realized they had set something up that didnt meet the requirements?
So you shouldnt send a CISRS assessed route man off the deck???
2 hours on the train! You should take up knitting to pass the time .
J
Jason-Gibbs
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We dont get paid enough money to risk our lives like that.
Once apon a time Scaffolding was good money - not anymore.
Maybe 20 years ago, when the smart Scaffolders had their mortgages paid by the age of 40, earned 3-4 times the average wage, but now??
Risk our lives and destroy our bodies for people offering us £14 (about £3 more then a Traffic 'Marshal') an hour??
No thanks.
Besides, unless we wrap ourselves up in cotton wool, we get sacked.
Health and Safety demands we work to their rules.
Not really much we can do about it.
Serious that's what you guys earn alright I am never coming over to the UK my boys make that kind of money and all they do is kick pipe in a pipe yard.
I make 40 bucks an hour which is about £25, how's the cost of living over there ?
J
Jason-Gibbs
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Honestly.
£16 an hour is the norm in London for an Advanced Scaffolder.
I got tickets coming out my ears, experience, even videos of my work = more money?? Nope... £16 an hour.
Shiite money.
Cost of living is expensive... British Scaffolding is on its knees.
Gizza job ,I can do that!
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We all ooh and ahh at the money in Australia and Canada which is good because they have a labour shortage basically.They are huge countries with relatively small populations but with lots of mines and oil and gas reserves ,which are always in the bush or offshore where no one really wants to go hence the high wages.
We are a crappy little island off the coast of France with a very high population ,so no shortage of labour with us .
If I was young enough I know where I would be going
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Well there is a shortage of good scaffolders as well so they do need them. I was 33 when I came over the only thing I don't know if the tickets you guys have a recognized cause mine from Holland sure as hell weren't recognized.
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The minimum wage in Australia is almost 11 quid an hour compared to the UK's 6 quid. This is because Australia has strong unions and good membership.
How about my previous question? Is an assessed route CISRS scaffolder competent as he has not done the training? If he is then so is a man who has been in the game 30 years.
On the CISRS advanced course trainees are shown how to do a suspended scaffold off steel using the trapeze method. Would you risk one of these on an underdeck hanger which is different?
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Did you attend training courses instructor or just receive the grandfather rights ticket?
How about my previous question? Is an assessed route CISRS scaffolder competent as he has not done the training? If he is then so is a man who has been in the game 30 years.
On the CISRS advanced course trainees are shown how to do a suspended scaffold off steel using the trapeze method. Would you risk one of these on an underdeck hanger which is different?
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Did you attend training courses instructor or just receive the grandfather rights ticket?
