Scaffolding Supervisors from East Europe

A lot of your so called Scaffolders were actually Welders, Platers, Laggers etc who you trained up on site with a minium Irish part 1 ticket, courses held at the top of the ESB site by your company, funny how a bloke i seen welding steelwork one day then a week later he has got a harness on and a scaffolding belt erecting scaffolding, same to be said for the other trades mentioned,

All trainees complied with the legal FÁS requirement prior to training as did the Hertel and Pyeroy scaffolders I also trained. A number of the ZRE guys, after loosing their jobs due to their company going into liquidation were offered jobs with us as they were living locally at that stage and were very familiar with the site.

also regarding the situation with the pay for the men, Thermo only paid Union rates because they were forced to, if the Unions did not step in they would have got a way with it, the TRUTH cant be Liabllouss.

As previously stated, union rates were paid throughout the contract including full basic scaffolder rates to all the GO's. ALL scaffolders were trained up to a minimum of basic level, even the GO's

I also notice you did not mention employing any Irish or local labour,

We employed dozens of people recruited 'locally' in Ireland. Moneypoint is out on a limb in the west of Ireland over an hours drive from the nearest town. Advertisments were placed in the Limerick Leader, the local paper as well as in national newspapers which brought in many more scaffolders fro firms like Human Touch and Brogan.


then again all your poles who were working working away from their homes in Poland were classing themselves as locals living in Ireland, thus no need for Thermo to pay them accomodation allowance,

That is because very many were living 'locally' in Ireland. The others were contracted in with all expenses paid, including holiday and travel.

Pyeroy were paying more than the Union hourly rate, paying more the Union accomdation allowance & 50 pound a week flight money, this is because there men did not class themselves as locals, and they even employed Irish and local labour.

Pyeroy flooded the job with GO's, had nothing like the correct ratio of advanced scaffolders and used copies of 'tickets' for people that were not even on site. Like I mentioned previously, Pyeroy did not pay the official union overtime rates but made their employees sign a contract that gave them the significantly lower UK rates.
As I recall, the Pyeroy 'local' labour were caught robbing sheeting and stashing scaffolding and fittings away from the correct compound on a number of occasions and had to be dismissed.
I will not be entering into further discussion as it would appear to be a futile exercise
 
Pyeroy flooded the job with GO's, had nothing like the correct ratio of advanced scaffolders and used copies of 'tickets' for people that were not even on site. Like I mentioned previously, Pyeroy did not pay the official union overtime rates but made their employees sign a contract that gave them the significantly lower UK rates.
As I recall, the Pyeroy 'local' labour were caught robbing sheeting and stashing scaffolding and fittings away from the correct compound on a number of occasions and had to be dismissed.
I will not be entering into further discussion as it would appear to be a futile exercise[/QUOTE]

Now thats bordering libellous haha good bye.
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Dennis you seem to have a memory problem.
much of what you say is untrue.

I should know i was the Industrial Director of Ireland for Pyeroy at the time.
I personally won the contract for Pyeroy and set up and ran the contract for the first 8 weeks.
You did no training for pyeroy. we had a ratio of 2 to 1 for scaffs to general operatives.
genuine british not irish scaffolders. local go's
yes one local who was a farmer and our forklift driver was dismissed for taking metal sheets i was the one who dismissed him.
the kit that was being stashed away from the compound was equipment being stored for use on the job. we had to do that due to thermo who were to supply all the materials on the job not giving my men any equipment. very childish. Are you suggesting they were trying to steal it ????
All pyeroy operatives were paid union rates or better.

Pyeroy were brought onto that site by the main contractor lentjes. Due to the failings of there current sub contractor thermo who could not supply enough decent men.the men they had were being given a basic irish scaffold ticket after completing a couple of days training onsite at the far end of site. Training consisted of building some layher system scaffold.
when t&f was required they could not build it and had no idea what to do.

The fact we were brought in was resented by thermo and those subcontracted to them because it exposed their failings and shortcomings. i have the emails and letters from lentjes to prove it if required in court.
 
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You did no training for pyeroy.

True. I did it for their scaffolders directly as Pyeroy, contrary to the Irish Health and Safety at work Act 2005, did not provide it for them. They paid for themselves despite having a 'training' figure built in to their price.


i was the one who dismissed him.

I thought you were only there for 8 weeks? he was dismissed towards the end of the job

thermo who were to supply all the materials on the job not giving my men any equipment. very childish.

Pyeroy brought their own material (tube and fittings) on hire through the main contractor, but then if you were only there for a few weeks you may not have known that

All pyeroy operatives were paid union rates or better.

GB Union rates maybe but not IRL overtime rates as already stated.

Pyeroy were brought onto that site by the main contractor lentjes. Due to the failings of there current sub contractor thermo who could not supply enough decent men.

Wrong. When ZRE, the main steel and mechanical subcontractor went bust there was a long delay to the contract. Units 2 and 3 were idle for months. First a UK firm and then an Irish firm were brought in to compete the job. Termo had contracted to supply certain amount of labour and material based on the original continuous programme with a straight forward dis and re arrangement. With the change in programme, additional labour and materials were required and Pyeroy were brought in to fill a gap of the main contractors own making as it was they that took the decision not to offer more money to ZRE.

the men they had were being given a basic irish scaffold ticket after completing a couple of days training onsite at the far end of site. Training consisted of building some layher system scaffold.

Like I said, ALL scaffolders, including GO's, were trained to Irish basic level which is a seven day course based on system scaffolding together with an introduction to tube and fittings, with and two days of testing. All the Irish Advanced courses were run at my training centre in Kilkenny as site training is not allowed. Irish advanced trianing is conducted purely (by me at any rate) in tube and fittings and is pretty much the old CITB Part 2 course.

There is no real 'advanced' training in Ireland, something that I have been trying to address for many years.


The fact we were brought in was resented by thermo and those subcontracted to them because it exposed their failings and shortcomings. i have the emails and letters from lentjes to prove it if required in court.

Not resented at all, we chose not to take on the additional work.
I was my job however to keep a record of all Pyeroy operatives, training and their timesheets which were handled and authorised through Termo site management. My scaffold request forms also included a square metre section that allowed us to cost the work after erection on a per metre output per man week. I'll save you the embarrassment of posting it here.

All Pyeroy work was also inspected and tagged by me prior to first use and every successive seven days and so I too have a record of the problems encountered. Pyeroy make many representations to self certify their own work and tag their own scaffolds. This was never allowed by Termo, Lentjes or the ESBi although they had no problem with Hertel doing so.
The readers can put their own interpretation into that.
 
thermo who were to supply all the materials on the job not giving my men any equipment. very childish.

Pyeroy brought their own material (tube and fittings) on hire through the main contractor, but then if you were only there for a few weeks you may not have known that

The material Pyeroy brought on was tube and fitting because the vast majority of material on site was Layer system, and there was a lot of work need doing were the Layer was not practical, Thermo supplied very little in the way of tube and fitting. Also there was an issue with the Poles hiding the Layer system components so as to hinder the progress of Pyeroy personel, i think its called a game of cat and mouse, very childish. In fact your polish supervisor Adam was one of the best players.

All pyeroy operatives were paid union rates or better.

GB Union rates maybe but not IRL overtime rates as already stated.

Overtime rates were time and a half & Double time of the hourly rate, which would make them more than the Union rates, as the hourly rate was more than the union rate.

The fact we were brought in was resented by thermo and those subcontracted to them because it exposed their failings and shortcomings. i have the emails and letters from lentjes to prove it if required in court.

Not resented at all, we chose not to take on the additional work.
I was my job however to keep a record of all Pyeroy operatives, training and their timesheets which were handled and authorised through Termo site management. My scaffold request forms also included a square metre section that allowed us to cost the work after erection on a per metre output per man week. I'll save you the embarrassment of posting it here.

We all know the pen is mightier than the sword, like i said above there was a silly cat and mouse game aimed at hindering the progress of Pyeroy personel.

All Pyeroy work was also inspected and tagged by me prior to first use and every successive seven days and so I too have a record of the problems encountered. Pyeroy make many representations to self certify their own work and tag their own scaffolds. This was never allowed by Termo, Lentjes or the ESBi although they had no problem with Hertel doing so.
The readers can put their own interpretation into that.[/QUOTE]

I remember he tag man being a ploish bloke called Lashack who was also very biased when it came to inspecting Pyeroy work, ensuring that any problems were imediatally reported to Lentjes yet again to hinder and discredit Pyeroy personel, again part of the silly cat and mouse game, you hated Pyeroy being on that site and you know it.
 
well someone i should know is doing my fighting for me lol

ginger you are spot on with everything you have said.
its like going back in time 4 years fighting with poles and tagmen
 
scotontour said:
well someone i should know is doing my fighting for me lol

ginger you are spot on with everything you have said.
its like going back in time 4 years fighting with poles and tagmen
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I was a supervisor on there for Pyeroy and every day was a battle of wits with the Polish.
 
Put me down for a wee blue on the ginger dog.:noworry:
 
I think they are on the same team Jakdan, did you read the thread.:cheesy:
 
Oh right. :embarrest:

Seconds out.......
 
gingerdog said:
I was a supervisor on there for Pyeroy and every day was a battle of wits with the Polish.
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well i was the big grumpy scotsman who shouted at colin all the time lol

that whole situation is one i would rather not repeat. fighting with germans, poles, italian, irish, scots pretending to be irish poles. god im shaking just thinking about them.

but i think we all did ok financially on that one.

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jakdan said:
i know the scot very well mate he knows the full sp ( he pinched my best men for the job)
and i think the ginger dog is spot on
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ginger is spot on your right again jakdan.

but my memory tells me you sold your best man in return for a day at punchestown races ( and i still have no memories of that night) hehehehe
 
That's strong words Scotontour against such a fine upstanding member of the fraternity such as Jakdan. I couldn't believe such a slur could be true.:blink1:
 
aom said:
That's strong words Scotontour against such a fine upstanding member of the fraternity such as Jakdan. I couldn't believe such a slur could be true.:blink1:
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i would never insult the legend that is jakdan but i dont think he has any memory of that night either.:D
 
scotontour said:
i would never insult the legend that is jakdan but i dont think he has any memory of that night either.:D
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i can't remember a thing.:embarrest:
i can just remember waking up in a very posh suite, thinking i must have pulled some rich irish lady, however my thoughts were soon dashed when i got the phone call off a scotsman to come down for breakfast.

oh happy days;)
 
jakdan said:
i can't remember a thing.:embarrest:
i can just remember waking up in a very posh suite, thinking i must have pulled some rich irish lady, however my thoughts were soon dashed when i got the phone call off a scotsman to come down for breakfast.

oh happy days;)
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that was some day. :nuts:
 
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