Part 2 Scaffs Dundee X 3

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I am currently looking for three experienced part 2 scaffolders. All applicants must have a valid CISRS part 2 cards. Duties will include working on a bridge erecting and dismantling 'hanging and pillar' scaffolding. The job is for an immediate start and is due to run for 3 - 4 months, 7 days a week. If anyone is interested drop me an email with CV if possible or name, previous experience and contact details and I will give you a call back.
 
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I am currently looking for three experienced part 2 scaffolders. All applicants must have a valid CISRS part 2 cards. Duties will include working on a bridge erecting and dismantling 'hanging and pillar' scaffolding. The job is for an immediate start and is due to run for 3 - 4 months, 7 days a week. If anyone is interested drop me an email donalcollins@linearrecruitment.co.uk with CV if possible or name, previous experience and contact details and I will give you a call back.

Part 2's should not be working on hangers mate as they are not deemed competent under the WAH regs 2005. You could end up in court if something happened. I suggest you employ proper advanced scaffolders and pay the top rate. Even agency recruiters are considered responsible if they put men on work they have not been trained to do.
 
Part 2's should not be working on hangers mate as they are not deemed competent under the WAH regs 2005. You could end up in court if something happened. I suggest you employ proper advanced scaffolders and pay the top rate. Even agency recruiters are considered responsible if they put men on work they have not been trained to do.

well said and noticed HSWT.
 
Not unsupervised, correct, but working in a gang with an advanced is possible.
I worked for Palmers there last year without a problem with my part 2 on that provison, and on Blackfriars for Pyeroy, and on dozens of other jobs. Have adv now, but thats as i've understood it.
 
Not unsupervised, correct, but working in a gang with an advanced is possible.
I worked for Palmers there last year without a problem with my part 2 on that provison, and on Blackfriars for Pyeroy, and on dozens of other jobs. Have adv now, but thats as i've understood it.

As long as only passing gear. The WAH regs are quite clear you need training.
 
Hmm, not in my experience; Quote from WAH regs

10 If you are an employee or working under someone else’s control, regulation 14 says you must:
■■ report any safety hazard to them; ■■ use the equipment supplied (including safety devices) properly,
following any training and instructions (unless you think that would be unsafe, in which case you should seek further instructions before continuing).
 
So he can be sat on a dropper and pass 5fts across to the advanced man on the other dropper?

"Sat on a dropper"? The butt is for standing on.

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Every employer shall ensure that no person engages in any activity, including organisation, planning and supervision, in relation to work at height or work equipment for use in such work unless he is competent to do so or, if being trained, is being supervised by a competent person.

So the WAHR states that training can be carried out in a work situation. So how come the NASC didnt recognise the on the job training the EITB boys had for years in the same way it accepted it with the ASRE boys?
 
Why did we do droppers on part 2 course then #wondering

No idea mate suppose it depends when and where you did the training. I heard they even use beams for truss outs and cantilevered drops these days. Doesnt seem to be a consistent approach from the training centres these days. It was different when it was CITB before this CISRS nonsense came in.

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See what I mean?

Jobs

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Sorry I mean this a 3 day course for scaffolding houses which apparently doesnt require full scaffolder accreditation.

http://www.neta.co.uk/LinkClick.aspx?fileticket=c4lfPtpoDa8=&tabid=129&language=en-GB#page=21
 
I think it's a case of learning the basics on your course, ur knowledge comes from working with experienced scaffs...the amount of advanced I come across who literally haven't a clue is unbelievable....I'd rather be working on a hanger with an experienced Scaff wiv a trainee ticket than an advanced who has blagged his way through a few weeks course and knows jack ****.
 
Maybe....but what if your on a firm that doesn't do many "advanced" jobs.
Would that mean you could never become advanced until u might come across some advanced jobs or maybe know someone on one that u cud manage to have ur picture took on it??
Like I say I believe that them courses are just an insight into the job to give a bit of a clue when u go on site, then it's a case of learning from those that learned from the ones before them
 
Also have u ever known anyone fail any of the scaffolding courses....or let me put it a better way, how many muppets do u know wiv cards, that if it was a charge wud be up in court for impersonating a Scaff.
It's just a cash cow !!!
 
Maybe....but what if your on a firm that doesn't do many "advanced" jobs.
Would that mean you could never become advanced until u might come across some advanced jobs or maybe know someone on one that u cud manage to have ur picture took on it??
Like I say I believe that them courses are just an insight into the job to give a bit of a clue when u go on site, then it's a case of learning from those that learned from the ones before them

These days most companies would do temp roofs, staircases and ramps plus doing jobs from complex drawings all of which feature in the advanced course.

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Also have u ever known anyone fail any of the scaffolding courses....or let me put it a better way, how many muppets do u know wiv cards, that if it was a charge wud be up in court for impersonating a Scaff.
It's just a cash cow !!!

I recall an experienced scaff being sent away from a part 2 course in the days when the part 1 course could be bypassed.
On being told to put up an independent on the first morning he stood a 21 up against the wall at BN and went off to get some more gear. The instructor sent him away to come back and do a part 1. The guy was just doing exactly what all of us have done at some time!!
 
These days most companies would do temp roofs, staircases and ramps plus doing jobs from complex drawings all of which feature in the advanced course.

Ok so you do temporary roofs, a staircase and a ramp out on site, and use this as evidence in your portfolio.
You become an advanced, but you have never done a dropper apart from at college.
A guy whose been in the game 30 years and done droppers in his sleep but doesn't have a card.
Who do u want with u wen ur arse is twitching sliding down that standard.
My point is, that to say u can't do a drop scaffold if u don't have an A card is dog ****, it mite be the rules but it's dog ****

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I recall an experienced scaff being sent away from a part 2 course in the days when the part 1 course could be bypassed.
On being told to put up an independent on the first morning he stood a 21 up against the wall at BN and went off to get some more gear. The instructor sent him away to come back and do a part 1. The guy was just doing exactly what all of us have done at some time!!

I'm surprised the instructor didn't get a butt rapped round his head.

Exactly my point about these courses, I'm sure that bloke went out on site after eventually doing his part 1 and part 2 and never stood a 21 up against a wall again.
I've been scaffolding only 10 years and don't pretend to know half of it, but I can honestly say, college taught me nothing a decent experienced Scaff hasn't
 
Gman, Iv Been Scaffolding Since 1978, And What Iv Learned Iv Learned From Scaffolders Iv Worked With, What The Ncc Did Was Give Me The Certification And Made It Official, Not Actually Taught Me Things, (Mind You I Did Learn How To Do A Cantelever Dropper, Oh And A Truss-Out) So I Suppose They Did Teach Me Something,Oh And A Heavy Duty Pavement Gantry With Beams, But They Never Taught Me Anything lol
 
I'm a part 2 and haved worked offshore for years on all sorts of hangers and worked on bridges on shore on hangers and I know there's guys who have an advanced card and couldn't scaffold a fuckin Wendy house. Ha ha.. It's all about experience and being capeable of doing the job..
 
I'm a part 2 and haved worked offshore for years on all sorts of hangers and worked on bridges on shore on hangers and I know there's guys who have an advanced card and couldn't scaffold a fuckin Wendy house. Ha ha.. It's all about experience and being capeable of doing the job..

I think we all know its true apart from the NASC, HSE and the CISRS. Your last sentence describes the ECITB boys all vastly experienced and capable.
 
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