Wages

Rather a simplistic veiw of the wider ecconomics. Although technically we are no longer in recession as the gdp figures showed an increase, however little it was -0.7% if memory serves - most of us are trading a tax year behind & certainly working on contracts that we received during the last nose dive..
I certainly wouldnt want to comment on the grossly overinflated profits of some of the major private sector companies- as i too beleave them obscene - however its a fine line between making a profit & profiteering....& beleave me when i say as a company we far from profiteer from our workforce. - yes we make a profit but why wouldnt we.after all thats what drives you into starting up ur own buisiness in the first place.
The country was doomed to a burst bubble mainly due to the overinflated & unregulated banking system which many of us enjoyed @ the time with our overinflated house prices & good wage packets &;the whole of society dependant on credit...
At the end of the day we're scaffolders not doctors of solicitors or university graduates - putting it symplistically we make a living from doing uo nuts &:bolts-yes its hard graft & yes we think of it as skilled labour.but tbh we're not rocket scientists are we.
It doesnt matter how much you think you are worth i can assure you your not - cos all the time theres someone willing to do your job for less then thats all ur worth - we can argue the point till the cows come home, but the fact is if we continue to demand over inflated wages we risk flooding the market with labour wanting it and in doin so end up with less in the long run.
I have said on here b4 the citb system is wrong in the way we get our tckts why should i be expected to pay you £150 a day against someone else that got his advanced within 2yrs of picking up a spanner.
I have employed several guys off this forum - some good ,some not so good- but all tckt holders...reguardless of tckts you can only pay a man what hes worth & what the pricing of the work allows you too

Offhore eh ...good luck to you, you should fit in quite well with the leftwing union types.just go carefull you dont get too gobby or those jockanesse will throw u overboard lol
 
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Jason-Gibbs said:
Rates should be higher, everyone knows that.
Rates will never be higher because of this fabricated lie called: "Recession".

There is no recession... only the scaremongering/myth the money men have put in place to lower our money and standard of living.

Companies all over continue to show record profits, yet there is "recession".
Drive around London... theres never been so many Skyscrappers being built.
Trainstations being renovated.
Powerstations built.
Oil and Gas are screaming out for workers...

Thats just Construction.
Think how many shops opening up? loads.

As for rates: I expect £150 a day to work in London or i work for someone else.
Other places should be only about £10 a day less, if that.
Imho.

Amazes me how someone will happily work for £8 an hour...
Desperation? Well id rather not work, then graft knowing someone was ripping me off.
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If you read my first posting on this thread Jason, you will notice the drop in the going rates over the last five years paid by all cept a small handful of agencies that are trying to undercut each other whilst inflation and petrol prices have hit the roof.
Now that there is an upload of scaffolding jobs at the present, lets see if they will make an improvement in rates offered.
 
even the industrial rates have dropped over the last 3 or 4 years there down by atleast £250 a week on 7 days yes the rates are higher on a station or gas plant but thats the premium rates that bump them up years ago you could clear a bag of sand a week now you have to bang the hours in and if you ante got the lodge you be pushed to bag that grand without the hours and if you do bag that grand you can bet the tax man on the paye band has taken £400 of it!!!
 
john the manc said:
If you read my first posting on this thread Jason, you will notice the drop in the going rates over the last five years paid by all cept a small handful of agencies that are trying to undercut each other whilst inflation and petrol prices have hit the roof.
Now that there is an upload of scaffolding jobs at the present, lets see if they will make an improvement in rates offered.
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I hope so John.
We need it.
 
Ya, sorry about that.
Emptied alot of my old messages now.

PM me again if you like.
 
Not really.
Same old story... become a Supervisor somewhere, suddenly everyone is your mate.

The old: "hello mate, i worked with you for a week, back in 2004 and wanted to know if you can get me a start... buddy".

LOTS of PM's been deleted, lol.
 
Jason-Gibbs said:
Not really.
Same old story... become a Supervisor somewhere, suddenly everyone is your mate.

The old: "hello mate, i worked with you for a week, back in 2004 and wanted to know if you can get me a start... buddy".

LOTS of PM's been deleted, lol.
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Don't worry just a genuine hello mate

Incidently apart from Westfield Stratford last year I think I worked with ya before on a benchmark job on bishopsgate Liverpool street about 2006/07 just dawned on me today ( fook knows how)sure it's u sorry if it ain't, the bloke I'm thinking off is bit slimmer and had a barnet tho lol
Na think you had a row with a scaff that's why u jacked if I remember correctly

Again sorry If aint u but I can start tmrw cheers mate:laugh::laugh:
 
Jason-Gibbs said:
Trust me, i fully understand ecomonics.
I also fully understand something called: a discussion - seeing as we're on an online Forum, id thought you could grasp that too.

Being 'mid management' and all... guess i was wrong.

Firstly. I will decide when, if and how i 'better myself'.
You dont tell me. I decide.

Secondly. If someone tells you the moon is made from green cheese. Do you believe him?
Only if your stupid...
People today are STILL driving around in new cars, wearing designer clothes, spending copious amounts of money on drink, drugs, holidays, you name it, same as they ever was AND companies (from BP to Bobs Drycleaners) are STILL making record profits.

Bankers are getting big bonus's, Billions £'s are STILL being spent on Construction.
New Businesses are STILL opening up each day, people are still buying houses.

Recession is NOT as people say it is.
Certainly not where people are expected to work for £80 a day...

In my opinion (which im ENTITLED to have) the Recession is a lie.
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If you mean Bobs Drycleaners in Balham it has just gone bankrupt.
 
Wages are allways going to be to low as a whole we are never happy.

But if you want more money invest in your future and put some money into training yourself instead of waiting around for a company to do it for you.

Yes cards dont make a scaffolder ect but whether people like it or not without the cards you are not getting a job even if you been in the job 30 years and can drink 20 pints a night.

Times have changed lads skill up
 
Jason-Gibbs said:
Look im not saying people aint struggling... but historically, people have always struggled.

But dont expect to offer shiite wages and say: "hey well you know, recession im afraid" all the while your still earning pretty much same as you always did.

Our rate dropped so low a while ago, all the while NOTHING seemed to have changed.
Profits were still being made made etc etc, well - read my above 2 previous comments.

Did it drop because things were THAT TOUGH?
No... i dont believe so.

It dropped because of GREED.
And this falsehood Recession.



IMHO.

Lots of others agree when i speak to them about it.
No one here will admit it, because no one has any balls left.
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This was taken from the internet and somthing to consider possible?

"Despite being one of the UK's fastest growing industries, a new Scaffolding Services market report shows a worrying declining in some company's profitability. In fact, the new Analysis shows 324 of the UK's leading 963 companies are actually loss making"

So one third are loss making! this might indicate that the recession was real.
 
Its a fair comment.
But how many companies deliberately avoid making too much profit to get out of paying Corporation Tax?
Which (im no accountant), could be hundreds of thousands of £'s?
Theres a difference between Grosse and Net.

Fingures can be 'adjusted' to suit.

Just seems to me that little seemed to have changed, except our rate almost halved.
All im saying, were things THAT tough?? That would warrant such a drop?

or... was there a recession/decline in growth (in certain areas) and everyone jumped on the band wagon to increase their own profits?

Just a thought.
And, im kinda a conspiracy theory nut too! :D
 
Well,we went nearly two years without one single newbuild house and we're still feeling the impact of them lean times during the worst of the recession now,no banks would lend you anything either,and still wont,probally,the existing clientel would screw you down to the floor on price because they were well aware that every scaffold company in our region would do the work for cost or even less,then we had firms going bust on us every month and the ones that manage to stay afloat suddenly became bad payers,the works picked up just recently but that's been the worst recession I've experienced,it's a miracle that we've come out the other side TBH,and during those tough times I never once cut anyones money,yet people would still come in the office asking for more money,like i'm a liar and we're not really in the middle of a global recession,i've just made that bit up so I don't have to pay fella's money that their not even worth,pfft,as SP says,fella's on the shop floor as a rule,dont have a feckin clue about company economics,it's not something you'll learn without experiencing it firsthand,you certainly don't learn that kind of understanding turning a feckin spanner:mad:
 
I work on a proper s£&t hole but am on blue book, by the sounds of it the grass is definitely not greener!!
 
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