Had a manager once in SGB an engineer called Joe Briddock. His knowledge of scaffolding was practically non existent, but it did'nt matter, he had others there for that. His role apart from making the firm money was to meet the big potential clients and could he talk, he was the type of guy that could sell sand to the arabs. Remember one time he sent me to look at a job in a university that required a drawing, on the way to meet the university engineers, he was asking me what the technical terms on the drawing meant and I was looking at him and thinking fcuking hell we've no chance. We went in to this boardroom and they all fired questions at him and he could answer every one. I sat there amazed, his personality got us that job. On the way back I mentioned to him that he had'nt given them a price and he said you dont talk to those people about money, leave that to the subordinates. What a guy, a likeable snob.