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when erecting timber framed how many of us do so with an inside handrail for when the frame goes up or do you leave it open ???
 
We used to go 4 story with system nothing inside and then the kit would be crained in, which took the pressure right off us. Now its all inside rails and no more than 1 lift above the kit. Bit of a nightmare and a ball ache to organise at times.
 
We dont handrail the inside unless they ask for it, which 9 times out of 10 they dont as they just in the way they say....
 
Double inside rails and we go two lifts above the plot max. Its a pain in the ass but its what the clients are asking for these days.
 
Internal Handrails On Every Lift, And Three Lifts Above Foundation, Erect Three Sides To Allow The Joiners To Erect The Kit, When The First Lift Of Kit Panels Is In, Close Off The Front And Erect The Loading Bay Or Bays, Erect The Peins And Handrails Over The Roof.
 
Some jobs we have done in the past used to make me laugh. The client would complain about just a single rail on the inside when there was a single inside board and a 50 mm gap. Go round the back and the brickie had loosened a beam supporting 4 lifts to slide it back and the ground workers had dug a trench the full length of the elevation. This mob had flown in a so called specialist inspector, all he knew about was inside rails.
 
lol thats how i have done them in the past kicker and 2 no inside handrail totally build no progression on them up and thats it. this inside handrail marlark ffs lol what happened to once the first floor walls were erected they wlaked off the scaffold to lay the floor and when you do handrial it do you ahndrail it on the inside standards and still leave them 2 inside boards to work off if they want it lol
 
Embarrassingly enough, yes. Ffs, if they were suicidal, they couldn't fekin jump off.
 
We use the extandable trannis now marra for timber frame, we let them build the first lot of walls then base out with 3 inside boards, but as the lift is set 1mt below floor level theres no need for inside handrail and all we have ti do is pull 1 bd out ans slide the trannis back for the brickies.
 
We Normally Erect The Hop-Ups One Pressing Down From The Lift To Allow The Joiner To Place His Wall Head Binder And Joists So The Safety Wallah Insists On A Handrail At There Back, If The Hop-Up Was At Lift Height It Wouldnt Need A Handrail, Cause Its Part Of The Working Lift. Although You Still Erect One Needed Or Not, (Why Create Problems)
 
Gerscaff said:
We Normally Erect The Hop-Ups One Pressing Down From The Lift To Allow The Joiner To Place His Wall Head Binder And Joists So The Safety Wallah Insists On A Handrail At There Back, If The Hop-Up Was At Lift Height It Wouldnt Need A Handrail, Cause Its Part Of The Working Lift. Although You Still Erect One Needed Or Not, (Why Create Problems)
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you would still need to erect a handrail on the hop ups pre the timber framed going in then wouldnt you ? still an open edge when handed over to client before the frame going in
 
I avoid timber frames like the plague, just too much gear on hold for too long wiv not enough profit being caused by all the hassle of sg4 for instance i passed a job in Basingstoke 2day that even had tripple handrails going up the ladders ffs bit OTT -but then let itself down with no internal h/r, i watched the scaffs clipped on erect the external off of scaffsteps then climb up & traverse the whole lift brding out without being clipped on & no internal h/r & just couldnt get my head around it was ok to allow that but ffs tripple h/r to the ladder.its bollccks like that that which will become SOPs & cause us even more workload & grief
 
haven't done a timber frame in years, last one we did had single rail on the inside, but had two inside boards, it was whipped out by the trades before we were 5 minutes down the road, did a inner single rail for a large contractor last year, had to be flush with the inside board, all 9" butts and 5ft droppers off the inside standards to pick the rail up, took as long to fix as the sodding lift.
 
thats it i was thinking leave no accsess to top lift. on the 1st lift not the kicker have your hop up 500mm down and only hand over the scaffold once the first floor wall go up thus not having any chance of a fall.and the top of the wall will be above waiste hight just over a meter. once the second floor walls are in and it has the crash back in then open the top lift to them thus stopping the ******* about with inside doubble ahnd rial and toe board etc would that work do you think
 
Hi Marra were on timber frames at the moment all were are allowed to do is kicker and lift and can only add ladder after swell decking is in then floor joist then another lift no ladder after swell decking an so fourth until height is reached its a fecken nuisance marra to be honest before we used to 100% erect but not now jobs gone down the pan
 
A leading edge is leading edge no matter what, no gap more than the 470 mm
with the obvious protection 950 to 1050, the only way I have managed this is to remove the toe board, bring the hand rails down to leave no gap more than 470mm, ammend the rams for a exclussion zone below becuse of no inside toe board in case of falling materials.

the other option is to hand the scaffold over with a provision that the MC is to manage the scafffold with a permitted zone on to a exsposed edge boarded platform with no access unless wearing fall arrest with approved rams.

Not many brickies would wear a harness as we know !!
 
steelcitycowboy said:
Hi Marra were on timber frames at the moment all were are allowed to do is kicker and lift and can only add ladder after swell decking is in then floor joist then another lift no ladder after swell decking an so fourth until height is reached its a fecken nuisance marra to be honest before we used to 100% erect but not now jobs gone down the pan
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well yeah use to smash them but now not looking that way.
what i was meaning is you built it and say you fist lift was in a 2meters and the top of the wall sits at 3 meters and you were to drop the inside hop ups by 500 you wouldnt need a to board and hand rails as its down to the hop up brackets and the walls of the timber framed would be your fall prevention does this make sence
 
If your lift is at 2mts marra, you wouldnt need to drop your brackets as your already a mt below. And with the extendable trannies you can cover your gap and remove the inside bds after.
 
scaffy 1980 said:
If your lift is at 2mts marra, you wouldnt need to drop your brackets as your already a mt below. And with the extendable trannies you can cover your gap and remove the inside bds after.
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said drop it depending if we put a kcker in as that will make it less thna a meter but with ya hop up bracket it wont be its going to be in layher i think 2 board hop uo and then a quater board as well quater board will be removed for bricky. dashing
 
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