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jb78 said:
i only resent these systems because it gives the power to companies , and leads to low wages , even these big companies break the rules regarding their employees being qualified , that is why interserve invented their 2 day kwikstage course so they dont need to pay for CISRS , they can give someone a job , put them through the 2 day course and pay them pennies , if the employee leaves interserve hes not a real scaffolder , just a kwikstage scaff , a system i do respect is cuplok as it has many different components and you can build almost anything
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I agree with you JB, but it's not the system or the boy's that are at fault in my eyes anyway. If you take on a young boy and train him up and only give him a bit of house bashing to do and keep the more technical side of the business for just a few experienced squads your obviously just going to churn out poorly experienced guy's. I'm obviously a bit biased but that's why I think better all round scaffs come from the smaller firms.

I have mentioned it a few times now but the trade North of the border is under an ever increasing threat like you describe but from the rise of this BASE ticket, which is where we will see the real monkeys spring from and if you think you see some rough jobs up at the moment wait till you see what they churn out.
 
all this talk of "the real systems boys" and"systems specialists" is not even funny , i could take my sister or my da , or a fuckin junkie from the shoppin centre and get them to erect a block with me , people on here who run/manage companies , i expect their point of view to be different as there running businesses an making money so systems it is , BUT , SYSTEMS HAVE DEVALUED SCAFFOLDING AND SCAFFOLDERS , And anyone using them and thinking there a good scaff pickin up their £270 from sgb or interserve should re-evaluate what they want to acheive in scaffolding , i gave up knockin my **** in for pennies with systems and have spent the last 10 years workin and learnin how to be a good scaff with tubing and fittings , not always working but i have accumulated experience all over europe and offshore , people who want to be real scaffolders get out from under these **** companies and **** wages and if lucky end up on good jobs maybe on £700, £800 £900 a week or more , whos gonna pay you that for messing about with some lego, THANK YOU

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i agree with you AOM , better scaffs do tend to come from the smaller firms , guys at the bigger mobs tend to stay with them out of job security. What is the base ticket?

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also i must say , one of my friends has worked for you before and said it was a pleasure to work for you , that you treated people well
 
BASE is something I thought was new but seemingly it's been around for a few years now but I think you can bring in an instructor to your place of business for 5 day's and train up a load of your finest monkeys to rattle up to a maximum height of 5m any system they like, no additional product course or the like as far as I can see and as you say they have obviously forgotten the max 5m thing as I'm seeing them beyond that, no ties no harness and no step.

We will have to agree to disagree about the system but Redviking has a good few pictures of system jobs on his albums that your average house basher couldn't touch.

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also i must say , one of my friends has worked for you before and said it was a pleasure to work for you , that you treated people well

Nice to hear JB, treat as you expect to be treated, it's not hard is it, still nice to hear though.
 
im just a man with a belt who wants payin decent money , thats where my gripe with systems is , i'd be quite happy to work with it but companies prices per sq metere seem to have gone down not up , like i said , others who are involved in tryin to make money in this industry have the sytems to enable them to make money and im glad they can , i would expect us to have different opinions
 
What are the prices for system these days ?
Was £2 a bay when I was on it late 90's

Also have to agree having worked at big and small firms that there is more of a variety with the smaller ones in my experience
 
Don't mean to drag this out, but if you were asked to build a 3kn scaffold with tube what would your first thoughts be?

Mine would be, do I need a design, what bay centres are we talking and what about lift heights, can I do it if they want it fully boarded?

Is there any more questions you can think of?
 
im sure sgb in glasgow was £1.60 per sq metere , about 4 years ago at least
 
aom said:
Don't mean to drag this out, but if you were asked to build a 3kn scaffold with tube what would your first thoughts be?

Mine would be, do I need a design, what bay centres are we talking and what about lift heights, can I do it if they want it fully boarded?

Is there any more questions you can think of?
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Aom who are you asking ?
Are you getting at -
Would the job be cheaper for me as a gaffer, easier, quicker using system ?
 
Zotsey,

No one in particular. It was something that has come up on one of our jobs and it was a designer that put me in the picture but it was covered on the gen lok course.

If I was asked for a tube and fit 3kn job I would need to check first if I could do it without design, yet all that is required for gen lok is to reduce the mid transom spacing. We are finding more and more clients are requesting 3kn then when you quiz them they are not even sure themselves why. My point is there are a few different reasons to consider when deciding what type of scaffold is best for the job.
 
Layher, cuplock can also have swl up to 3kn

Do I get a gold star ?!!!! lol
:D
 
haha, top of the class. You don't get your gold star till you tell me what you have to do with t&f to get the same load?:noworry:
 
Have you tried Van thiel fastest for loading bays 10kn on standard design i am also cuplock
layher. kwikstage, and haki trained and carded - but genlock is southern asian copy of cuplock sold by generation. also have grandfather rights in tube and fittings and advanced inspection started in 72 its all about money, some firms *****, some good but we are all pawns
 
T & F refer to £600 designers drawing and it is slow at that loading, but on new build who has loading bays at 20th storey use xenas
 
aom said:
Don't mean to drag this out, but if you were asked to build a 3kn scaffold with tube what would your first thoughts be?

Mine would be, do I need a design, what bay centres are we talking and what about lift heights, can I do it if they want it fully boarded?

Is there any more questions you can think of?
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The first thing id say if i was asked to build a: 3kn Scaffold, is: Talk English! Lol.
What the f.uck is a 3kn Scaffold???

Id put the job up and if it falls over, id blame the other bloke working with me. ;)
 
jason-gibbs said:
the first thing id say if i was asked to build a: 3kn scaffold, is: talk english! Lol.
What the f.uck is a 3kn scaffold???

Id put the job up and if it falls over, id blame the other bloke working with me. ;)
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this says it all. This is why we get no good wages and thought of as a bunch of knobs that know jack
 
geoffbecks said:
this says it all. This is why we get no good wages and thought of as a bunch of knobs that know jack
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Lighten up geoffbecks, Jasons just having the crak.

A 3kn scaffold would mean nothing to most. Is it made of singles lol.
 
I worked with Jack a while ago.
Good Scaffolder, but he smelled like piss... A fair trade off, as he helped to show me what way a Double goes round. :cool:
 
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