This is my view of the people who control our industry

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Whenever I had the misfortune to have to communicate with anyone from the NASC or HSE or anyone else who likes to think that they are controlling this industry this just about explains what I thought of them...

1. Excessive love or admiration of oneself.
2. A psychological condition characterized by self-preoccupation, lack of empathy, and unconscious deficits in self-esteem.
3. Erotic pleasure derived from contemplation or admiration of one's own body or self, especially as a fixation on or a regression to an infantile stage of development.
4. The attribute of the human psyche characterized by admiration of oneself but within normal limits.

And you will never change my opinion of them...:mad:
 
moanalot said:
Whenever I had the misfortune to have to communicate with anyone from the NASC or HSE or anyone else who likes to think that they are controlling this industry this just about explains what I thought of them...

1. Excessive love or admiration of oneself.
2. A psychological condition characterized by self-preoccupation, lack of empathy, and unconscious deficits in self-esteem.
3. Erotic pleasure derived from contemplation or admiration of one's own body or self, especially as a fixation on or a regression to an infantile stage of development.
4. The attribute of the human psyche characterized by admiration of oneself but within normal limits.

And you will never change my opinion of them...:mad:
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Good post.
 
moanalot i have never had any dealings with NASC, but when i had an accident in 2005on a large site in elsmere port, my employer Salam** refused to accept the situation and if it was'nt for me contacting the local HSE office, the whole incident would have been brushed under the carpet, the HSE went to the site took photo's & statements and completed the RIDDOR report, because my company had no intention of carrying out this statutory requirement, so i would have to disagree with your post and think the chip is probably on your shoulder.

Wait till all the govenment cuts kick in and the HSE and other department lose personell who are there to help employees from cowboy employers, I bet Work @ Height industry fatalities start rising again, we shall see
 
I have no problem with the HSE.

They have little resources & I feel they have been hood winked into the situation we are in. The representation of our Industry is the problem & has been for a while. The HSE are seen as the bad men when they are not, they are there to help!!

All my dealings with the HSE have been good, so far.

As far as the SCCR is concerned they have helped us every step of the way. We are trying out a new partnership with them next year but still being finalised so no more info as yet. Keep an eye on the sccr site for developments in this!

Regards Stewart
 
i agree a safe working practice should be there but this heath and safety has gone through the roof its getting bloody ridiculouse most large firms ive worked for if you have an accident are on the employers side and there independent safety officer take more photos than david bailee and make more paperwork than the yellow pages your company
must of been a cowboy firm no disrespect.
 
Moanalot may I ask you what your work situation is ie on the spanners / company owner? cos just by looking at your bitter & twisted post, you are obviously intelligent, however correct me if i am wrong the HSE are an enforcement body and do not control the industry, and is NASC not a organisation made up on industry members who i thought issued guideance to the Scaffolding industry? not controling it.

The only legistlation that i would say was designed to control the industry is the Working @ Heights Regs 2005, which is not worth a Wa*k if employers don't implement these regs. hence needing the HSE to enforce and procecute. (not control) and NASC to Guide (not control)
 
been waiting for a reply of moanalot? when i ad the accident on 7/7/05 was unable to continue scaffolding after the shoulder op, harness sat right on op scar, union played agood game, 4 years to the compen! however retrained me, payed 4 Nebosh general & construction. an got a safety job 3 years ago big mechanical company, I would like to think my scaff work @ height experiance helps my old mates, to bring a bit of practical commen sence to the work place? if it was'nt 4 the HSE Salamis (chris Folkes) would av discared an injured scaff like a piece of ****.

Long live the union & hse

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Moanalot, I would say your discription of control merchants are more suited to ****** supervisors / Local cliques on shutdowns / outages, leave the HSE & NASC to do there jobs promote good practice and represent the boys in times of need. enuf said

Leave NASC & the HSE to help this industry to move forward, the aim has got to be zero
fatalities!!! all the best to the scaffolding forum members, may 2011 be prospirous
 
moanalot said:
Whenever I had the misfortune to have to communicate with anyone from the NASC or HSE or anyone else who likes to think that they are controlling this industry this just about explains what I thought of them...

1. Excessive love or admiration of oneself.
2. A psychological condition characterized by self-preoccupation, lack of empathy, and unconscious deficits in self-esteem.
3. Erotic pleasure derived from contemplation or admiration of one's own body or self, especially as a fixation on or a regression to an infantile stage of development.
4. The attribute of the human psyche characterized by admiration of oneself but within normal limits.

And you will never change my opinion of them...:mad:
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some of us have your best interest at heart . god ive had a few shandys but i moved on fom scaffolder into the safety industry because I thought I could help.Your post is a sweeping statement enough said not.You are obviously not capable of doing your job in the right fashion or you would not be complaining nuff said. There are enough pikeys with mobile phones on the side of their transits that are fecking up our industry . If you dont have the know how hard cheddar
 
i have to agree that a lot of hse i come across let the job go to there heads and are on power trips . not all but a lot think cos there wearing a shirt and tie they are a cut above the lowly scaffs .but if it makes them feel like a big man when they go home to there boyfriend/girlfriend let them get on with it .the worst is when you get safety men from other trades who have done a 3 day scaffold course trying to tell us how to do our job
 
allan666 said:
i have to agree that a lot of hse i come across let the job go to there heads and are on power trips . not all but a lot think cos there wearing a shirt and tie they are a cut above the lowly scaffs .but if it makes them feel like a big man when they go home to there boyfriend/girlfriend let them get on with it .the worst is when you get safety men from other trades who have done a 3 day scaffold course trying to tell us how to do our job
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I agree Allan666, Health & Safety officers from the contractors are the worst. Their knowledge is very poor.

Got thrown off a power station job stripping a temp roof. Only 10ft off the ground so pipework could be sprayed.

Had an edge protection hand rail round the outside, harness inertia etc he came up & asked me where the three boards & handrail were whilst I was stripping out the sheets. Needless to say I kindly asked him to play hide & seek with himself!!

We were escorted off site by security, the company rang the contractor next day explained to them the difference between a independent scaffold & temp roof. We were allowed back on site & I gave him a copy of SG4.05 with the appropriate sections highlighted in green highlighter pen.

So many contractors set their own rules its hard to keep up!
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ragscaff said:
I agree Allan666, Health & Safety officers from the contractors are the worst. Their knowledge is very poor.

Got thrown off a power station job stripping a temp roof. Only 10ft off the ground so pipework could be sprayed.

Had an edge protection hand rail round the outside, harness inertia etc he came up & asked me where the three boards & handrail were whilst I was stripping out the sheets. Needless to say I kindly asked him to play hide & seek with himself!!

We were escorted off site by security, the company rang the contractor next day explained to them the difference between a independent scaffold & temp roof. We were allowed back on site & I gave him a copy of SG4.05 with the appropriate sections highlighted in green highlighter pen.

So many contractors set their own rules its hard to keep up!
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ive been on a station and had a safety bloke look at some beams for load bearing and he asked me what swl meant that was stamped on the beams i laughed but the fellow was being seriouse i dont care what you say you need
a bloke thats been in the game and how nos hes stuff the olde school safety blokes are the fair ones and the ones how have had some scaffolding background
 
we erected a complex temporary roof a couple of years ago with no drawings , and when the safety officer inspected it prior to accepting the Handover cert he picked up on a standard that was hanging of the truss beams to hold the monoflex and nothing else was on a treader plate (to protect the stone capping it was resting on ) instead of the correct size timber sole board. I explained that it was not load bearing and only there to hold the monoflex side sheeting , he argued with me for ages , so i pulled the standard up of the treader plate and left it hanging to prove a point , thats better he said and it was left hanging as long as the job stood up . It is hard when HSE guys dont have a scaffold background and can only think in 2 dimensions. Having said that i have met some very good HSE guys who know the game inside out and can use their experience as scaffolders to make much better decisions.Surley scaffold inspectors should have a minimum of scaffold experience and hold an Advanced ticket ?
 
I feel the problem is with the H&S people that companies employ. The HSE are only there to make sure the legislation is complied with, but the problem lies with the over zealous interpretation of the law by the H&S people. They go over the top in their requirements to make sure the company is protected. A lot of their own rules and regulations are far in excess of what the HSE and the law requires.
 
i agree with ragscaff, people with little knowledge and experience are dangerous, we get plenty of them on site these days inspecting on the behalf of bricky contractors

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i once had a report against one of my lad "fitting on standard not load bearing and standard not on a base plate", when i got to site to look at it, all it was that the boys had used a dummy to hold up the transom as they were erecting and forgot to strip it out, looks bad when its on a report and goes to some group manager
 
leon harper said:
i agree with ragscaff, people with little knowledge and experience are dangerous, we get plenty of them on site these days inspecting on the behalf of bricky contractors

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i once had a report against one of my lad "fitting on standard not load bearing and standard not on a base plate", when i got to site to look at it, all it was that the boys had used a dummy to hold up the transom as they were erecting and forgot to strip it out, looks bad when its on a report and goes to some group manager
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The greatest enemy of knowledge is not ignorance, but people with the perception of knowledge.
Stephen Hawkins.
 
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As you know Leon, once that blinkered little man puts that report in to the group manager it is very hard to argue about it, assuming you ever get told in the first place.
 
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David Lavery said:
moanalot i have never had any dealings with NASC, but when i had an accident in 2005on a large site in elsmere port, my employer Salam** refused to accept the situation and if it was'nt for me contacting the local HSE office, the whole incident would have been brushed under the carpet, the HSE went to the site took photo's & statements and completed the RIDDOR report, because my company had no intention of carrying out this statutory requirement, so i would have to disagree with your post and think the chip is probably on your shoulder.

Wait till all the govenment cuts kick in and the HSE and other department lose personell who are there to help employees from cowboy employers, I bet Work @ Height industry fatalities start rising again, we shall see
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I was on Octel for Salamis about that time.There was a major accident,guy got hit by a board coming out of a rope and wheel,split his head open,only his hard hat saved him.The HSE where never involved despite the poor lad pending time in hospital.Salamis wanted to keep a 100% accident free site.They sacked one lad who although he was working on the job didn't cause the accident,he got the bullet because he had an advanced card and was sold down the river my the two gobshites who caused the accident.Salamis was only interested in keeping the site,was run by two Scottish pricks.It wasn't you was it?
 
Was'nt me i slipped on some discharged mud/effulent on the clean away site in july 05 and as i said before if it was'nt for the help i recieved of Bootel's Health & Safety Executive, Sal*mi* would have covered the whole incident up, they even had the cheack to state that i had resiged the day before and should not have even been put to work on site that day. Took years to resovle but finally with the backing from Unite, would'nt say i won, but at least they admitted Liability even if it did take 4 years.

Safety men seem to be taking alot of flack in this post , as you are all probably aware lots of scaffs are taking or wanting to get Health & Safety Quals (Nebosh Construction & General certs) and until you do & get a job in H&S and see things from the poacher turned gamekeeper prospective (Scaff 16 years ex 3 years Safety ex) its a difficult transition to undertake (cos us scaffs often lack management andd diplomasy skills), however the more scaffs willing to follow this route can only benifit the construction & work @ heights industry in the long run.

So stop moaning and start studying, if you really want to make a positive difference.
 
We had a complaint off one of our customers on a eaga heat job that the gas engineer sent them an email that the scaffold was not tied into the property. Bearing in mind this is a 2 lift 8ft tower where he would be on it for about 20mins, I said I would go out and have a look, nothing wrong with the scaffold it was buttrussed against the house and was solid, I phoned them and bluntly told them "We don't send bloody idiots out and that a buttruss is classed as a tie" It really got my goat as the gas fitter obviosly thought he knew a bit. But yes I have to agree David Lavery we was on one site where the safety guy had us doing allsorts, at one point he wanted us to h/rail along the side of the ladder, we started it but then he must off thought about it and told us to forget it, He was so scared of anything going wrong they had him running in circles and he was an ex-scaff.
 
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