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hi all, we do alot of roofs in tin only & monarflex, just after some input on the haki style roof and is it quicker also is it worth the change.

how hard to use?
how many roughly do you need to do before it comes 2nd nature?
got two quite big roofs to put up before christmas, thinking just thinking mind might give it a go.
 
I would say Philiosmaximus is the forum specialist on roofs but jakdan posted a cracking link to the combi-safe system which looked the dogs. I believe he is on holiday so you might have to wait a bit to hear what he has to say but someone else will post the link.
 
If you hire a haki roof of a registered haki dealer I'm sure you can get them on site to show you the little things you need to no,I have done these site info sessions a couple of times and they are helpful,they don't tell you how to do your job just what you need to no to use there product properly,a good idea if you ask me cos all roof systems are different.
 
used the haki rolling roof system they sent one of their demonstrators up to give us a wee insight into the system,i would recommend it but i dare say the plettac roofs have their advantages as well but the haki base is in the midlands so may suit you to a tee
 
clarkey said:
hi all, we do alot of roofs in tin only & monarflex, just after some input on the haki style roof and is it quicker also is it worth the change.

how hard to use?
how many roughly do you need to do before it comes 2nd nature?
got two quite big roofs to put up before christmas, thinking just thinking mind might give it a go.
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Morning Clarkey
I have worked with roofing a lot over the years everything from tins to rolling freestanding Haki roof with a pull in sheeting system. On a personal basis I would only recommend Haki as the backup and product are second to none. They have an exceptional training team and technical team better than any I have dealt with. Some years ago I did Birmingham Town Hall with Haki there are some pictures on here if you look in albums there are a couple of BTH and a couple of Stoke Rochford.
http://www.scaffoldersforum.com/members/alan-reade-albums-some-my-stuff.html
Haki are based in Tamworth and I believe you can hire the Haki product through Harsco (SGB) which should tell you something.

Regards
Alan
 
this is how i did one for the first time

hired off dsl an asp roof ...3 no pitches of diff angles 2 up stands to weather in quite complicated for first roof.

bod came to demo all seemed very easy we planned making up the sections and crane them up then fill them .

all went well until we had to join the intermediate sections to ether they sections we had made up needed to be tied to stop them spreading so had deflected enough to make the intermediate ledgers really difficult to fit only an inch or two in places but enough if your working at height. asked for support from asp and the main man had hurt himself playing football so couldn't come in and they sent another guy who looked up from the ground and said all looks ok so should fit.....

i sent all the men away and with another fella we tried to make it all fit ( I'm sorry to say i went and bought a sledge hammer ....)

anyway thats just a taster .....i think i cried at one point :nuts: well it felt like that anyway

so for me if i was to do one again as i said to my boss it needed some one to assist day 1 for a couple of days who had done one before just to take you through it and at least erect it on target.

also it was a mansells site so it was difficult to prove how the working at height could be done as they weren't to happy with walking up the beams even with double lanyards.

so a rolling roof springs to mind

i would do one again but get a sub by i know who's done loads of these to erect with me until i get the hang of it

it didn't make money
 
timthumb said:
this is how i did one for the first time

hired off dsl an asp roof ...3 no pitches of diff angles 2 up stands to weather in quite complicated for first roof.

bod came to demo all seemed very easy we planned making up the sections and crane them up then fill them .

all went well until we had to join the intermediate sections to ether they sections we had made up needed to be tied to stop them spreading so had deflected enough to make the intermediate ledgers really difficult to fit only an inch or two in places but enough if your working at height. asked for support from asp and the main man had hurt himself playing football so couldn't come in and they sent another guy who looked up from the ground and said all looks ok so should fit.....


i sent all the men away and with another fella we tried to make it all fit ( I'm sorry to say i went and bought a sledge hammer ....)

anyway thats just a taster .....i think i cried at one point :nuts: well it felt like that anyway

so for me if i was to do one again as i said to my boss it needed some one to assist day 1 for a couple of days who had done one before just to take you through it and at least erect it on target.

also it was a mansells site so it was difficult to prove how the working at height could be done as they weren't to happy with walking up the beams even with double lanyards.

so a rolling roof springs to mind

i would do one again but get a sub by i know who's done loads of these to erect with me until i get the hang of it

it didn't make money
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I refer you to my earlier mail with regards backup and quality.
Haki now employs a system which involves erecting the whole roof from a static tiered platform. No scaffs in space at any time always over a platform and roll the roof out.
that is how Birming Town Hall and Stoke Rochford were done.
Great system, smashing people
regards
Alan
 
exactly the point i was making alan .......... there seems to be only one way now that should be accepted by all contractors
 
There is of coarse another couple of system roofs ie Libra System roof , and of coarse omni system roofs both in my opinion better and easier to use than Haki,and all comps are alloy , beams are deeper 750mm and both can span up to 30m with no spine beams and be shrunkwraped, or sheeted with canvas sheets and straps Down side both expensive but will give you rolls royce job.
 
100ft with no spine beam, now thats impressive, but i do love a good tinned roof:love:

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there is roof near me toddington manor, i think some lads from bristol did the erect, it is for the artist damon hurst, i was told at the time biggest span in europe, all done in beams and tin awesome job.

anyone on here?
 
damo6661 said:
There is of coarse another couple of system roofs ie Libra System roof , and of coarse omni system roofs both in my opinion better and easier to use than Haki,and all comps are alloy , beams are deeper 750mm and both can span up to 30m with no spine beams and be shrunkwraped, or sheeted with canvas sheets and straps Down side both expensive but will give you rolls royce job.
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44m clear span rolling haki roof at Hemmel Hempstead The Haki beam is also 750 deep. BTH was in excess of 35m. rolled both roofs into place with six men.
When erected off the gable end scaffold very easy to use.
 
correct me if im wrong allan but the birmingham town hall job you did was that not the biggest encapsulation ever done.when i got my wee bit of training from haki im sure thats what the demonstrator said.
i worked with the rolling roof and it was a peice of piss to erect the 1 i did was over a pipe rack and when we got to just push it along i was amazed,i envisaged using turfers and all sorts of rigging to pull it along
 
timthumb said:
this is how i did one for the first time

hired off dsl an asp roof ...3 no pitches of diff angles 2 up stands to weather in quite complicated for first roof.

bod came to demo all seemed very easy we planned making up the sections and crane them up then fill them .

all went well until we had to join the intermediate sections to ether they sections we had made up needed to be tied to stop them spreading so had deflected enough to make the intermediate ledgers really difficult to fit only an inch or two in places but enough if your working at height. asked for support from asp and the main man had hurt himself playing football so couldn't come in and they sent another guy who looked up from the ground and said all looks ok so should fit.....

i sent all the men away and with another fella we tried to make it all fit ( I'm sorry to say i went and bought a sledge hammer ....)

anyway thats just a taster .....i think i cried at one point :nuts: well it felt like that anyway

so for me if i was to do one again as i said to my boss it needed some one to assist day 1 for a couple of days who had done one before just to take you through it and at least erect it on target.

also it was a mansells site so it was difficult to prove how the working at height could be done as they weren't to happy with walking up the beams even with double lanyards.

so a rolling roof springs to mind

i would do one again but get a sub by i know who's done loads of these to erect with me until i get the hang of it

it didn't make money
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Timthumb, I thought that was an excellent post for those of us who have never done a roof before. We have a couple of possibilities floating around and when they finally come in to be priced I will refer back to your good advice and get a good suby in with the required experience to make sure we do make money so thanks for the tip and the reminder.;)
 
AOM you have a good subbie not too far away from the peninsula,and very reliable cant comment on the rates as ive been drinking ;)
 
I'm glad you have been drinking, maybe this is the exact time to talk cash, I'm bound to get a preferential forum rate.;)

It's the usual daftscaff, all very cloak and dagger, I still haven't seen a drawing for the job in question as the contractor is not wanting to divulge too much till he has it signed sealed and delivered. Allegedly it's a substantial new build fully encapsulated and I will definitely give you a shout should it ever come to fruition. I have mentioned it to a couple on the forum but more for advice and I fancied having a good look at the combi-safe version which looks pretty fool proof for the uninitiated.
 
daftscaff said:
correct me if im wrong allan but the birmingham town hall job you did was that not the biggest encapsulation ever done.when i got my wee bit of training from haki im sure thats what the demonstrator said.
i worked with the rolling roof and it was a peice of piss to erect the 1 i did was over a pipe rack and when we got to just push it along i was amazed,i envisaged using turfers and all sorts of rigging to pull it along
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Morning Daftscaff
at the time it was indeed the largest encapsulation ever done and a huge success for all converned.
Rolled like a dream.
This was the first site to develop and fully utilize the gable end scaffold to erect and dismantle the roll out roof.
The Haki product and methodology has changed roofing for the better
 
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