should price work be banned

we run 3 price gangs and have no problems with safety or performance , all ppe is worn and as such works for us
So no we wouldnt ban price work , but in the past have suffered with the problems as listed in previous threads
 
That's probably the answer scaffy, control it better. When I made my comments earlier I was thinking of other trades and what seemed to me a definite lack of care and attention to detail. I reckoned the scaffs would be no different, but with proper controls and supervision that could be what separates us from every one else.
 
Great idea to ban price work

it would be good news all round to ban price work,putting gangs under pressure to finish jobs is always bad news safetywise,also if all the firms got together on this it would stop the under cutting each other to get the work and lets be honest we will all do jobs to break even to keep the lads going but whats the point really in the long run were just driving the price's of jobs down which is bad news all round,ban price work and have a day work rate that is right for each gang and hopefully the money will drift back into the game instead of the other way round
 
I used to work on price for a company doing local authority work and loved it.

There were very few issues with H&S, mostly from rival companies trying to stir up trouble.
We grafted hard but got paid well for it. Im curently 5 grand a year down on what I was earning 5 years ago on price. The price work was brought in to weed out the slackers and sure enough it did the job. From my part, I wouldnt ban it outright, depends on the circumstances and control levels really.
We knew we could get a visit from the supervisor and or the council inspectors at anytime, so we did the right thing and did the job properly from start to finish.
 
Dave - same reason we put gangs on price , but then on the other hand we also make sure thay are not on a loser doing it , we pay a good price because we want the job done right and these guys are the best performers and quality on the firm , we have adequate supervision and all jobs are checked before put on hire ,
 
scaff2010 - exactley the same as , we have formed loads of price gangs over the years and half of them were ***** - as u say snagging , missing toeboards ect , cut loads of corners , we dont have that problem now
 
good training, good supervision, good discipline the right kit, for the right job and for the right money and you should have no problems at all doing pricework . people cut corners when doing price work for multiple reasons the main ones are basically the price is no good or the gang are no good tossers who want the coin but not the graft.
good gangs get themselves into a system of work where each and everyone knows and understands how they gonna do the job , and one of the best pieces of advice for pricework gangs is spend 30 mins to an hour every night doing donkey work and loading up for nxt day before you go home, cos the first 3 hours of the day is your most productive
 
il pass them comments on superscaff , works for us tho
 
haha thought my post hadnt come across properly, i also should add that i think pricework actually helps supervision and discipline once the lads know you gonna take no **** and deduct money off or send them back unpaid to correct mistakes, it makes life much easier and less complicated for all involved and frees up time to concentrate on the important things
 
I do have certain issues with price work but banning it would be impossible to enforce and almost certainly contravene employment laws (particularly with the self employed)

I don't really see the difference with price work and a job-and-knock. If I have a job to build/strike in a tight time frame I often give the lads a target, although I always make it perfectly clear that the RAMS must be followed at all times.

I've never had any problems with it. I think as long as the work is managed, manned and planned properly, then it generally works well.
 
na mate i got ya drift , long live price gangs - adequate supervision is the key to success and as you say deduct from pay for any daywork for other bodies to finish snagging ect
 
never had any problems with the quality of my work on price just the price changing when i've done it too fast!!!

The big problem is firms that bring it in across the board, only certain gangs can achive good work at a target pace!!


Mind you, made my money one day left early boss rang in the evening asked where we had gone I said cinema!! I'm on price:nuts:


Ragscaff
 
We can all make money on price no probs/its like the tortiose and the hare it gets you knowhere/some jobs you can some jobs you can't:eek:h:
 
Yep agree with price work under the right conditions. Remember the old boiler crews making 100K + a year travelling the country and wacking them up, no safety problems, just a well oiled machine. Everyone knowing their role and if they fail the whole team pays. They and myself grafted like fook though and deserved every penny These days a lot of under skilled lads thinking the world owes them a living, cutting corners and not knowing through experience where to be more effiecent, ie setting out, handballing, being ahead on bumping out materials and just general elbow grease. Town work I'm no expert but straight runs etc must be difficult to difficult to earn these days with rates per LM or M2 being so tight, maybe there is no insentive to pull your pudding out when you get somewhere similar earning a average hourly rate??
 
boys price work is a con it is only for the employer not for the worker, so you work your but of 6 days a week and lift what £500 or £600 working in the rain the cold while he sits in the office claping his hands becose,he's geting the job done and keeping the big lump of cash for himself. do a way with it and get a good hourly rate thats what i say
 
In an Ideal world all scaffolders would be on £200 + a day,its not an ideal world though is it. When scaffold companys actually start working with each other ,rather than against each other then the worm may turn.


I see on a daily basis Main contractors wanting a "Rolls Royce" job for bicycle money, with brilliant scaffolders there from 6.30 am until they decide thats a shift .With other scaffold firms willing to undercut you for a few quid using self employed scaffs on a price, no ppe, no tickets ,no propper management or supervision its not suprising that companies that want to do it properly have to drop prices to keep going, it usually follows that rates for the lads come down too,or there is the "go on a price" option.


Having done both I can honestly say I could earn ok on a price but prefered being on the cards,you got your holiday pay,if you were off you got paid,you got a van you didn't just get laid off at the drop off a hat. When your a subbie it works in your favour sometimes when times are hard, you get called in to do the jobs with no money on them as the guys on the cards won't cut corners to get it done,you get to start and finish when you like.

Scaffold companies could really do with a comercial set of rates country wide as with different ranks in the police or fire service. This would mean that the companies would have to all be the same price within reason, and that companies who performed the best and had the best attitude would win the work, and not the cheapest as is the case now.

It won't happen though because for every decent scaffold company who employ decent lads there are 3 others who are sh*t and are just in it for the money, I worked as a director for one firm who's MD spent 350k just before the recession on 2 cars ,one for him one for his wife, he cut all our wages by 10% and put the lads on a price to pay for it,he didn't even know the names of the guys he was putting on a price he is a disgrace and I left as soon as was able. When we have people like this in our industry we have no chance.
 
I worked as a director for one firm who's MD spent 350k just before the recession on 2 cars ,one for him one for his wife, he cut all our wages by 10% and put the lads on a price to pay for it,he didn't even know the names of the guys he was putting on a price he is a disgrace and I left as soon as was able. When we have people like this in our industry we have no chance.


quiete a few firms like that russ ,
 
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