scaffold inspection ticket
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How is Dungy A not a safety passport site anymore (CCNSG) is that cause its not producing anymore, now decommissioning, how many years did we have to have it for there, is Dungy B different still, or is it now Ecitb were given the CCNSG and CISRS had the CSCS, no one requires the CCNSG anymore, thats across the whole country, on power stations, does anyone know anything different
poacher turned gamekeeper
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Animal you could sent your basic inspection certificate to the Construction Industry Scaffolders Robbery Scheme CISRS with a completed form and £26.50 and get a basic inspection card that would last two years.............then you are now into the refresher chain if you want to keep your new inspection card valid..:laugh:
Agree with animal. Seems far too confusing and if its confusing for people who do the job then its even more confusing for others.
Maybe its in the interests of NASC and the training centres for this confusion because there is no doubt that the inspection training is a way to generate profits. Thats the work of these companies. They are in existence to make money and not to help the scaffolder.
We know there is no help from the unions, no help from the government or HSE, no help from NASC or the training centres or CISRS. Dico has the answer.
The SCCR has been trying to help for some time now and one of the problems is that the membership is quite small. Unfortunately its a problem with a lot of british that we complain a lot but actually do nothing about it.
The SCCR can do something but it needs the support. If it had 2000 members then it can no longer be shunned or ignored. Think its worth 10 pounds to get the problems on the table. Dont you ?.
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Of course, this can be a big problem too. 2 examples.
A while ago had a prolonged argument with a safety trainer during site management safety training course where he pointed out that as the ledger bracing was not dog leg, it was a fault. He was teaching this to 14 people at the time.
Another time I was stopped from training as the trainer conducting the inspection course told me it was illegal to construct a loading without using beams. He had a illustration of a loading with beams and because of his lack of experience assumed all loading bays must be constructed in this fashion.
Another consideration is the fact that BS EN is a code of practice and TG20 is a guide to this code of practice. These documents are NOT legal requirements.
A legal requirement would say that the scaffold must be stable. BS EN and TG20 would give us some guidance toward this aim.
If I construct a scaffold in a lift shaft I would not use diagonal bracing as recommended by BS EN etc but I would make sure it was stable by other means. Inspectors with experience of scaffolding would understand this but would this be the case for inexperienced inspectors ?
Maybe its in the interests of NASC and the training centres for this confusion because there is no doubt that the inspection training is a way to generate profits. Thats the work of these companies. They are in existence to make money and not to help the scaffolder.
We know there is no help from the unions, no help from the government or HSE, no help from NASC or the training centres or CISRS. Dico has the answer.
The SCCR has been trying to help for some time now and one of the problems is that the membership is quite small. Unfortunately its a problem with a lot of british that we complain a lot but actually do nothing about it.
The SCCR can do something but it needs the support. If it had 2000 members then it can no longer be shunned or ignored. Think its worth 10 pounds to get the problems on the table. Dont you ?.
---------- Post added at 02:16 AM ---------- Previous post was at 01:43 AM ----------
Of course, this can be a big problem too. 2 examples.
A while ago had a prolonged argument with a safety trainer during site management safety training course where he pointed out that as the ledger bracing was not dog leg, it was a fault. He was teaching this to 14 people at the time.
Another time I was stopped from training as the trainer conducting the inspection course told me it was illegal to construct a loading without using beams. He had a illustration of a loading with beams and because of his lack of experience assumed all loading bays must be constructed in this fashion.
Another consideration is the fact that BS EN is a code of practice and TG20 is a guide to this code of practice. These documents are NOT legal requirements.
A legal requirement would say that the scaffold must be stable. BS EN and TG20 would give us some guidance toward this aim.
If I construct a scaffold in a lift shaft I would not use diagonal bracing as recommended by BS EN etc but I would make sure it was stable by other means. Inspectors with experience of scaffolding would understand this but would this be the case for inexperienced inspectors ?
jakdan
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good post kev
thanks Jackdan. Think I should add. This is not meant to slag off the training centers or NASC or anyone else. Just that they are not in business to help us with our problems. We have to do that ourselves and, at the moment, we are not doing it as well as we could.
pud
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I fully agree kevin.....
Round and round in circles.theres some terrible scaffs out there,you really believe they should signoff there own work???? Of the 20 or so scaffolds ive seen recently,theres only one I thought was perfect. Thats in my opinion. A lot of you are very good at your job,but theres a lot out there that need checking by others
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intresting debate. Kev has raised some very good points.
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ha i worked with a guy that built walk way across a bridge, was about a thirty foot gap so he picked up the middle transom to a punchin, then chequered it on the wrong side with a single, 3 times we told him to chaange it but he said it would be fine lol