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Changes to the RIDDOR procedure.

Employers will no longer have to report over-three day injuries to the authorities from next year, following the HSE’s decision to recommend an extension to the reporting threshold to ministers.

The absence period that triggers an accident report to the HSE or local authority under the Reporting of Injuries, Diseases and Dangerous Occurrences Regulations (RIDDOR) will rise from three to seven days.

The HSE board agreed to recommend the change at its 17 August meeting, accepting the results of a public consultation which found a two-thirds majority in favour of putting back the absence threshold.

The extension was first recommended by Lord Young is his report Common Sense, Common Safety, published last October, and the HSE board agreed to the public consultation in December.

The exercise, which ran from January to April, prompted 776 responses, 67% of them in favour of the proposed change according to the HSE

A paper prepared by HSE officials recommending the change to the board noted that respondents in favour of the extension believed it would be beneficial to align the time before an accident needed reporting with the time off before an employee must go to their GP for a MED3 fitnote.

Two in five of the consultation responses expressed worries about the extension’s impact on national injury statistics, particularly the HSE’s ability to see emerging patterns in accident rates.

The executive’s paper said analysis of injury figures between 2003 and 2010 showed the over-seven-day and over-three-day rates were broadly similar, so the HSE’s chief statistician believes the change will still allow the regulator to spot trends.

Some HSE board members expressed their concern that extending the threshold would encourage organisations to treat over-three-day injuries less seriously.

Echoing a small proportion of the consultation respondents, board member and TUC health and safety officer Hugh Robertson said the change risked having no positive effect on injury and ill health rates, while bringing little, if any, efficiency gain for dutyholders, who will still be legally obliged to record over-three-day injuries even if they do not have to report them.

Noting the majority of consultees in favour of the change, Robertson said “The purpose of regulation is not to please employers”.

The board accepted a proposal from HSE chair Judith Hackitt to agree to recommend the extension but proposed a review in three years to check for any negative impact on injury rates or RIDDOR reporting.

The recommendation also includes extending the period in which dutyholders must notify the authorities of a RIDDOR-reportable accident from 10 to 15 days after the accident.

HSE officials suggested the change after come consultees noted that the new seven-day threshold would only leave an employer a two-day reporting window under the current regulations.

The HSE will now recommend the change to ministers and amendments to RIDDOR will be laid before parliament next February, so the new arrangements can come into force from April.
 
im on a laing o rourke job at the moment,
at the weekend a machine driver decided to lift a tonne bag with 750kg in it,
His mini digger is not designed for that kind of lifting,
Anyway he can only lift 150kg when he does lift stuff,
He was on a platform and when he slewed round over the track, guess what, His machine was pulled off the platform and onto the track,
He was very lucky to get away with a cut forehead,
As a similar incident 3 weeks ago,
A driver was decapitated, as he tried to jump out of his machine,
as it fell from the platform.

under these new rules, would they have too report this incident

They are still investigating how come he decided to lift such a heavy load, he was a very experience driver by all accounts,
my guess would be, complacency.
 
The austerity cuts kicking in already.??? this withdrawal will save precious manpower HOURS investigating 3 day Riddor reportable's...... Who said safety was paramount...............................

obviously not the HSE..................
 
i agree i dont think it will make things better......was working on a site and the mc was very worried over a 3 day reportable so stretching it will make it less stressful for the employer it seems
 
i think its a good thing , like already mentioned man hours spent investigating minor 3 day accidents is pointless, but it would maybe better to categorise injuries for reporting , a bad cut could mean 7 days off, as for decapitation thats at least 12 n a half shifts lol
 
This will cut out having to report the Friday/Monday club that suffer so much from beer flu and phone in to say they hurt themselves on Thursday at 4.55pm and didnt have time to fill in the accident book:eek:
 
Good post Paddy, nice to see Lord Young's report finally being utilised at last.

I don't think this is austerity cut's more bringing a bit of common sense back to health and safety. I'm sure there will be more to come.
 
Health and Safety is the biggest scam and money maker since Religion.

Its a load of old shiit, that only matters until it costs more money then it saves.
If a job is running behind schedule - just watch what happens to Health and Safety then... It all of a sudden become ALOT more lax. :notrust:
Strange that eh?
 
Health and Safety is the biggest scam and money maker since Religion.

Its a load of old shiit, that only matters until it costs more money then it saves.
If a job is running behind schedule - just watch what happens to Health and Safety then... It all of a sudden become ALOT more lax. :notrust:
Strange that eh?

That's why the poacher jumped on the bandwagon if you can't beat em join them....:idea: just a matter of revising and passing a few exams the hardest bit is writing for 2 hours against the clock having an hour break then another 2 hours all the tossing in the world can't prepare you for that wrist ache for a fortnight after and NEBOSH make u wait for 3 month for your results the cruel cu*ts:mad:
 
working offshore and you have to listen to the crap at the safety meeting atleast once a trip,about a cut finger,a man"term used loosely"banged his elbow off a scaffold fitting but dare to hint that the integrity of the plant is a ******* disgrace and a danger to life and hey presto you disapear to another platform whilst being told on the qt to" keep yer trap shut and lie low"

safety is just like any other bit of beurocracy in the game,lip service.
make a show of it but dont really buy into it:nuts:
 
As shell are now finding out to their inevitable cost Daftscaff.:eek:
 
in a nut shell, health and safety is an excellent idea that massively understood because it was an still is badly interpretted to the masses, badly implemented by most companies resulting in a million and one variations as to what is right and wrong, and is an exercise in finding breaks in a chain where the person/ persons or organisations responsible for that break in the chain take the fall whether they were or were not the cause of the incident they just didnt have all the I,s dotted and the T,s crossed where they should have.:worried::confused::suspicious:
 
what about the fish its bad enough out there for the millionare boat owners who now deem fit to bring in more immigrant workers to feed their unsatiable greed for money:sad2:
 
in a nut shell, health and safety is an excellent idea that massively understood because it was an still is badly interpretted to the masses, badly implemented by most companies resulting in a million and one variations as to what is right and wrong, and is an exercise in finding breaks in a chain where the person/ persons or organisations responsible for that break in the chain take the fall whether they were or were not the cause of the incident they just didnt have all the I,s dotted and the T,s crossed where they should have.:worried::confused::suspicious:

Agreed superscaff, it has more to do with being able to hold someone, anyone accountable in the courts should something happen.
 
I know and it can piss you off now and again, I suppose they have to manage it somehow. That's why there is forums like this that let the footsoldiers blow off a bit of steam now and again.
 
The main objective that drives health & safety is the common law duty of care that was established in a civil court many moons ago and set the precedent.. basically if a company put there workers in a precarious position and injured them and a duty was owed broken etc....they (company) are liable to remedy the claimant (injured person) for loss of earnings ete..granted the whole system as been Fuc*ed by Ambluence chasers (no win no fee lawyers) but if the everyday man did not have the protection of the common law duty of care we as employees would be fecked literally cos the employers would be unaccountable........for all there detrimental actions.
 
Very true PTGK but when you see it in practise you have to shake your head. It's like most things in life, years ago they got away with murder with racism, ageism, sexism and many other forms of ism. All these things were and still are in some quarters a stain on human history but fast forward a few years and our city sky lines are filled with all sorts of temples for worship, the laddete culture has grown to such an extent the women are now bigger booze bags than the men and I have to jump through all sorts of stupid hoops for the newly qualified site agent who cant interpret the regs. I wouldn't want to take health and safety back in anyway shape or form but that's the whole point of Lord Young's report, to bring a bit of common sense back in to health and safety and how it effects our daily life.
 
Poacher are you forgetting your NEBOSH learnings :sad2:

Common Law Duties of Employers

Established in the case of

Wilson & Clyde Coal Company v English (1938)

A safe place of work (including safe access/egress),
Safe plant and equipment,
Safe systems for doing the work,
Adequate training and supervision,
Competent fellow employees.

These Duties are NON DELEGABLE
 
no disrespect AOM but it is insurance companies that have turned health & safety into the monster that it has become, Lord Young s report aint guna make a ***** of difference, he's veiws sound good in principle not in reality tho, insurance is all about risk and premiums....

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Poacher are you forgetting your NEBOSH learnings :sad2:

Common Law Duties of Employers

Established in the case of

Wilson & Clyde Coal Company v English (1938)

A safe place of work (including safe access/egress),
Safe plant and equipment,
Safe systems for doing the work,
Adequate training and supervision,
Competent fellow employees.

These Duties are NON DELEGABLE

Rigger are you not forgetting about section 6/7 HASWA 74 you are responsible for the safety of yourself & others also your own actions & omissions of others so basically they have got us by the balls which ever way you look at it
 
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