Potential free Advanced Inspection ticket.

It was on our's too, but it's not there now. So when we all retire or die who is going to sign off flying shores? :nuts::nuts:
 
It certainly does not, but it's surely the best system to show competence, I know plenty of excellent scaffs with part 2 tickets, they just won't pay to do their advanced.
 
SWIFTY said:
I should have posted this on this thread.

What I can't understand is with all the different training required these days there seems to be more jobs falling over. Erected (And inspected) supposedly by better qualified personnel than we had 25-30 years ago.
I was working on the south coast in 1987 when we had the worst storms and winds in living memory, I don't know of any jobs falling over in that storm.
We had a scaffold fully sheeted on St Dunstans Brighton, for those of you who aren't familiar with this building it sits basically on a cliff with a road between the sea and itself and looks over the English Channel.
The scaffold stayed put but the building was pulled apart at the expansion joints because of the Hilti ties.
A few boards got rattled about on our other jobs but nothing whatsoever fell over.

Progress eh?


And most had ECITB cards or no card and we were working for GKN, look what happened in Cardiff years later when they were all carded men.
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Because you had to do years learning how to labour properly to old school men who could work miracles with tube without crying out for beams.
This training included plenty of fittings being thrown at you as well as plenty of stick.
If you were considered able enough to actually be allowed on to a scaffold these men told you "don't fecking fall off". You learnt how to work off fleets of lapped boards 2 boards wide and how to bump out exactly the right gear.
Nowadays people expect to be sent on a course to be taught scaffolding before they learn how to service fittings or the difference between a 5 foot and a 6 foot.
That's why.
 
I agree with you to a point mm, however their are massive failings in this card system namely the gold card handouts and the advanced inpection debacle, I think the hse needs to get more involved and nasc shown for what it is, some good blokes joining not realising or being closed minded about the intentions and path they are taking, the card system every year is being cheapened by the sh1te coming through because its a cash cow for training centres and nasc leading the way I believe to a system country with lower wages and a monopoly on control , thats that then sorted ;)
 
After many years in the game & holding my willywonker tckt i have & allways will handover & inspect my own scaffolds-the only exception to my rule is on some of the complex shore work we do, and thats only to cover my own arsse on paper to which i normally get the desighn engineer to sighn off the handover to the client,but i dont usually use a 3rd party.
On the adv inpec tckt do they teach you how to read dwgs properly ? . As thats the one important thing your we are no longer trained o do, which ive never really understood why it was not included in the basic
 
SWIFTY said:
This thread is right up Rigger's street.
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Things were different back in those days.
I was sent to do a birdcage in the swimming pool at St Dunstans. When I got there they hadn't started to drain out the water. Found a pay phone ( no mobiles then) and called the yard to let them know it was still full of water.
"Start in the fecking shallow end" I was told.
The young pups today would demand stand by boats and offshore survival courses.
 
Did you have to work around the blind archers? That's scarey.
 
Havespannerwilltravel said:
No don't think they allowed bows and arrows in the swimming pool because they had a cowboy doing the scaffolding in there.
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:laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh:


We were all cowboys in those days but nothing fell over.

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Maybe the training from the old hands was better than the CISRS produce?
 
The difference was we had all been taught how to scaffold before we were sent on a course.
It was a privilege not a requirement.

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VancouverLeedsLondonBoy said:
Flying shore certainly ain't on the course down at Erith and it wasn't covered on the advanced inspection course I did either so how does that make me qualified to inspect that?
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At Erith especially on that Assessed Route of Entry it was more Flying Horse in Erith high street than flying shore so Gibbsy told me.;)
 
mightymouse said:
For example ?
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one of the lads on cape has a advanced ticket and he had to do hes advanced cisrs ticket to inspect scaffolds which is wrong so theres oviously a break down somewhere think your find there get round it by modifications and different drawings every scaffolds different exspecially when you get off the building sights its a big con and a money maker i would say the training centres cover 40% of scaffolds that are out there.you no yourself when you were at dungerness when doing the mussel pits and reactors that these scaffold wernt covered on the cisrs course but will make you right why should you ave to do the advanced inspection course when you have the advanced ticket this is exsactly how i felt when i had a advanced ecitb card for 27yrs and had to do my part 1 and part 2 cisrs the whole systems floored if every scaffolder in England walked out Monday you may have a chance but intill then were have to dream. if this is true about you don't need the advanced inspection ticket then are they going to paye back the ones who have payed out lol!!!
 
Every scaffold has a class, ie Independant, birdcage, tower so on and so on, CISRS there is no scaffold outside their courses, so a gold holder can inspect them all.
 
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