I don't think that anybody who has been given a CITB scaffolding card on grandfarther rights will have to now do an nvq, where has this come from ? It would make the citb look like a bunch of "Indian givers" for one thing, and it would also basicaly say that this was the wrong thing to have done back in the day, they aren't likely to admit to that are they.English Bob
You will not be starting again,you are a fully trained and experienced scaffolder * Period *
Just because some unelected and self serving bodies decide in there own interest,s to move the goal post's as to cards/training does not take anything away from you.
The only way I see at present to have our voice heard is through this forum and SCCR with guys like Ragscaff leading the way there are no limits as to what we can achieve if we stick together and tell it as it is
Onward and Upward
If somebody has been scaffolding since they were isued their card on grandfarther rights, could be 30 years, are we saying that now they would have to re-train to do an nvq from part 1 through to advanced level taking 3 years and involving paycuts whilst learning ?
I am sure that this could never happen as it would open the flood gates for a string of workplace discrimination law suits aimed at whatever government body brought it in.
At a time when we are making massive cuts in government spending I really can't see any governing body , federation or anybody else changing the rules and possibly discriminating against workers (who generate revenue) who have previously been granted a recognised qualification by another governing body.
Its like saying the qualification we gave you no longer stands we were wrong (admitting liability), this new one we want you to have is much better but your gonna have to pay us to re train you (discrimination in the workplace), it will take you 2-3 years to be in the position you were before we adopted this new policy because of the time we have stated it takes to learn (loss of earnings leading to compensation), and if you don't like it or can't afford it you can't work (discrimination leading to compensation) you could use this synopsis to compare to the ongoing ecitb fiasco , the ecitb one is harder though as it wasn't the citb who gave out the cards in the first instance.
If I were the citb/nasc/cscs/cisrs I would be going to the work place testing or setting up a new touchscreen test for the guys with grandfarther rights or ecitb tickets to test their compitence and not taking the chance of discriminating in the workplace. Hope you read this David Mosley.
Don't worry Bob I would let you work for me if your ticket ran out, after all its not a mandatory requirement is it,you have to be a compitent person, if the citb gave you the ticket they must have thought you were compitent let them and the nasc battle it out one siad you were compitent 30 years ago, now the other is saying your not AFTER 30 YEARS ON THE JOB I don't think so.
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How do I know if a scaffolder is competent to carry out the work?I don't think that anybody who has been given a CITB scaffolding card on grandfarther rights will have to now do an nvq, where has this come from ? It would make the citb look like a bunch of "Indian givers" for one thing, and it would also basicaly say that this was the wrong thing to have done back in the day, they aren't likely to admit to that are they.
If somebody has been scaffolding since they were isued their card on grandfarther rights, could be 30 years, are we saying that now they would have to re-train to do an nvq from part 1 through to advanced level taking 3 years and involving paycuts whilst learning ?
I am sure that this could never happen as it would open the flood gates for a string of workplace discrimination law suits aimed at whatever government body brought it in.
At a time when we are making massive cuts in government spending I really can't see any governing body , federation or anybody else changing the rules and possibly discriminating against workers (who generate revenue) who have previously been granted a recognised qualification by another governing body.
Its like saying the qualification we gave you no longer stands we were wrong (admitting liability), this new one we want you to have is much better but your gonna have to pay us to re train you (discrimination in the workplace), it will take you 2-3 years to be in the position you were before we adopted this new policy because of the time we have stated it takes to learn (loss of earnings leading to compensation), and if you don't like it or can't afford it you can't work (discrimination leading to compensation) you could use this synopsis to compare to the ongoing ecitb fiasco , the ecitb one is harder though as it wasn't the citb who gave out the cards in the first instance.
If I were the citb/nasc/cscs/cisrs I would be going to the work place testing or setting up a new touchscreen test for the guys with grandfarther rights or ecitb tickets to test their compitence and not taking the chance of discriminating in the workplace. Hope you read this David Mosley.
Don't worry Bob I would let you work for me if your ticket ran out, after all its not a mandatory requirement is it,you have to be a compitent person, if the citb gave you the ticket they must have thought you were compitent let them and the nasc battle it out one siad you were compitent 30 years ago, now the other is saying your not AFTER 30 YEARS ON THE JOB I don't think so.
The law requires that individual operatives be competent in scaffold erection, dismantling and alteration. The easiest way to prove competence as a scaffolder is to be a holder of a Construction Industry Scaffolders Record Scheme (CISRS) Card.
A CISRS card holder will be accepted as being competent to carry out scaffolding erection, dismantling and alteration as part of a scaffolding gang. Scaffolders should be required to produce a valid CISRS card prior to a project commencing.
There you are Bob got this off the official NASC website, if you have a CISRS card the nasc are clearly stating on their website that you are compitent,if they are saying you have to re-train this MUST be wrong ,mustn't it ?
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