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English Bob
You will not be starting again,you are a fully trained and experienced scaffolder * Period *

Just because some unelected and self serving bodies decide in there own interest,s to move the goal post's as to cards/training does not take anything away from you.

The only way I see at present to have our voice heard is through this forum and SCCR with guys like Ragscaff leading the way there are no limits as to what we can achieve if we stick together and tell it as it is

Onward and Upward
I don't think that anybody who has been given a CITB scaffolding card on grandfarther rights will have to now do an nvq, where has this come from ? It would make the citb look like a bunch of "Indian givers" for one thing, and it would also basicaly say that this was the wrong thing to have done back in the day, they aren't likely to admit to that are they.

If somebody has been scaffolding since they were isued their card on grandfarther rights, could be 30 years, are we saying that now they would have to re-train to do an nvq from part 1 through to advanced level taking 3 years and involving paycuts whilst learning ?

I am sure that this could never happen as it would open the flood gates for a string of workplace discrimination law suits aimed at whatever government body brought it in.

At a time when we are making massive cuts in government spending I really can't see any governing body , federation or anybody else changing the rules and possibly discriminating against workers (who generate revenue) who have previously been granted a recognised qualification by another governing body.

Its like saying the qualification we gave you no longer stands we were wrong (admitting liability), this new one we want you to have is much better but your gonna have to pay us to re train you (discrimination in the workplace), it will take you 2-3 years to be in the position you were before we adopted this new policy because of the time we have stated it takes to learn (loss of earnings leading to compensation), and if you don't like it or can't afford it you can't work (discrimination leading to compensation) you could use this synopsis to compare to the ongoing ecitb fiasco , the ecitb one is harder though as it wasn't the citb who gave out the cards in the first instance.

If I were the citb/nasc/cscs/cisrs I would be going to the work place testing or setting up a new touchscreen test for the guys with grandfarther rights or ecitb tickets to test their compitence and not taking the chance of discriminating in the workplace. Hope you read this David Mosley.

Don't worry Bob I would let you work for me if your ticket ran out, after all its not a mandatory requirement is it,you have to be a compitent person, if the citb gave you the ticket they must have thought you were compitent let them and the nasc battle it out one siad you were compitent 30 years ago, now the other is saying your not AFTER 30 YEARS ON THE JOB I don't think so.

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I don't think that anybody who has been given a CITB scaffolding card on grandfarther rights will have to now do an nvq, where has this come from ? It would make the citb look like a bunch of "Indian givers" for one thing, and it would also basicaly say that this was the wrong thing to have done back in the day, they aren't likely to admit to that are they.

If somebody has been scaffolding since they were isued their card on grandfarther rights, could be 30 years, are we saying that now they would have to re-train to do an nvq from part 1 through to advanced level taking 3 years and involving paycuts whilst learning ?

I am sure that this could never happen as it would open the flood gates for a string of workplace discrimination law suits aimed at whatever government body brought it in.

At a time when we are making massive cuts in government spending I really can't see any governing body , federation or anybody else changing the rules and possibly discriminating against workers (who generate revenue) who have previously been granted a recognised qualification by another governing body.

Its like saying the qualification we gave you no longer stands we were wrong (admitting liability), this new one we want you to have is much better but your gonna have to pay us to re train you (discrimination in the workplace), it will take you 2-3 years to be in the position you were before we adopted this new policy because of the time we have stated it takes to learn (loss of earnings leading to compensation), and if you don't like it or can't afford it you can't work (discrimination leading to compensation) you could use this synopsis to compare to the ongoing ecitb fiasco , the ecitb one is harder though as it wasn't the citb who gave out the cards in the first instance.

If I were the citb/nasc/cscs/cisrs I would be going to the work place testing or setting up a new touchscreen test for the guys with grandfarther rights or ecitb tickets to test their compitence and not taking the chance of discriminating in the workplace. Hope you read this David Mosley.

Don't worry Bob I would let you work for me if your ticket ran out, after all its not a mandatory requirement is it,you have to be a compitent person, if the citb gave you the ticket they must have thought you were compitent let them and the nasc battle it out one siad you were compitent 30 years ago, now the other is saying your not AFTER 30 YEARS ON THE JOB I don't think so.
How do I know if a scaffolder is competent to carry out the work?

The law requires that individual operatives be competent in scaffold erection, dismantling and alteration. The easiest way to prove competence as a scaffolder is to be a holder of a Construction Industry Scaffolders Record Scheme (CISRS) Card.

A CISRS card holder will be accepted as being competent to carry out scaffolding erection, dismantling and alteration as part of a scaffolding gang. Scaffolders should be required to produce a valid CISRS card prior to a project commencing.


There you are Bob got this off the official NASC website, if you have a CISRS card the nasc are clearly stating on their website that you are compitent,if they are saying you have to re-train this MUST be wrong ,mustn't it ?
 
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I don't think that anybody who has been given a CITB scaffolding card on grandfarther rights will have to now do an nvq, where has this come from ?

Dangeruss mate

Our site Managers are doing NVQ 4, as well as their normal SMSTS, as we have been told by H&S Manager, that a NVQ is needed on all CSCS cards by 2012.

I approached the outside H&S Consultant/NVQ Assessor regarding this issue, in which he confirmed the need to have a NVQ included on your card by 2012.

In all honesty, i hope my info is wrong, however,££££££££:sad:

Regards
Paddy
 
I don't think that anybody who has been given a CITB scaffolding card on grandfarther rights will have to now do an nvq, where has this come from ?

Dangeruss mate

Our site Managers are doing NVQ 4, as well as their normal SMSTS, as we have been told by H&S Manager, that a NVQ is needed on all CSCS cards by 2012.

I approached the outside H&S Consultant/NVQ Assessor regarding this issue, in which he confirmed the need to have a NVQ included on your card by 2012.

In all honesty, i hope my info is wrong, however,££££££££:sad:

Regards
Paddy
Bob was under the impression he was going to have to complete an nvq to keep his scaffold card as he got it on grandfarther rights,Ive not done an nvq for my scaffold card as I did my training before 1996, I havent done one for my cscs gold card either does this mean I am going to have to do an nvq as well ? or have i got it ar*e about face ?????
 
Bob was under the impression he was going to have to complete an nvq to keep his scaffold card as he got it on grandfarther rights,Ive not done an nvq for my scaffold card as I did my training before 1996, I havent done one for my cscs gold card either does this mean I am going to have to do an nvq as well ? or have i got it ar*e about face ?????

Russ mate

Sorry to be the bearer of bad news, as i was led to believe, and i even pushed the point on Grandfather rights, by 2012 when you submit your card for renewal, it will not be returned unless there is a NVQ on it, irrespective of you just sitting your touchscreen H&S test.

My Ex Union buddy now works for OSAT, i will ring him tomorrow, to try and get some clarification for us.

Regards
Paddy
 
I don't think that anybody who has been given a CITB scaffolding card on grandfarther rights will have to now do an nvq, where has this come from ?

Dangeruss mate

Our site Managers are doing NVQ 4, as well as their normal SMSTS, as we have been told by H&S Manager, that a NVQ is needed on all CSCS cards by 2012.

I approached the outside H&S Consultant/NVQ Assessor regarding this issue, in which he confirmed the need to have a NVQ included on your card by 2012.

In all honesty, i hope my info is wrong, however,££££££££:sad

Regards
Paddy

There is going to be a major shortage of assessors if this is the case !
 
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put this in layman terms guys i done my part2 1990,do i have to do a nvq to attain my new card?whats the course a days assesmnt?im cirs qualified.
 
Is this nvq for cisrs card holders as well, sorry if i have read it wrong.
 
from what i can see celtic bhoy that is the case.we will have to wait and see what paddy carr can dig up
Ive just spoken to somebody at CISRS and as far as they are concerned if you have "industry accredited" like me stamped on the back of your scaffold card, as long as you do the touch screen every 5 years thats perfectly acceptable and there are no plans to change this. So panick over unless somebody knows something different !. I have of course asked for this in writing.
 
Cheers for that Russ. Hi English bob are you still working in Ireland.
 
just off cisrs website,think if you do the touchscreen test when due thats the criteria they are looking for.nothing bout having nvq assesments,when renewing card.did say by 2012 if you want to be able to continue to inspect scaffolds regardless of your card,u have to have done the relative nvq ie level2.tag men everywhere beware lol,more dosh being squeezed by the looks of it.hopefully panic averted....for now anyway lol.
 
The guy I spoke to said the only cards that would be revoked were trainee cards if no further training was being undertaken after the alloted time frame 12 months or whatever it is.
 
yea mate that sounds right,think thats always been the case with trainees.lets hope it stays that way.
 
were u working dublin bob?worked 3years when the tiger was going good coin then,scafform during week then steven dolan weekends.finished up in intel easiest job ever good days.
 
worked all over dublin.worked with john joe dolan on donohues.also done croke park.must have worked for every scaffold contractor in dublin.chased money.bin here since 1994
 
great city stayed swords,lexslip,and the blanch.all good things come to an end bob,what bout the airport that still ongoing?
 
just a few bits left in the airport.worked in there for phd.worked on the council offices in blanch and shopping centre.that pub next to council offices was a mad house.
 
Hi English bob, worked for Pro Scaffolding in Dublin loved every minute, wish i never left. Great times.
 
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