message for the spys.
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english bob
Well-known member
tell me what you mean dico.
paddy carr
Moderator
Dico mate
I totally agree.
Why have scaffolders been discriminated? do they think we are all dickheads? i have never yet met a Scaffolder who would put a job up that they wouldnt put their name to.
We have pride in our work.
Prior to TG20.08 Scaffolders undertook and performed miracles, unknown to mankind. As long as you new about, Node points, load bearings and SWL the world was our Oyster. Case scenario 'Can the lads Scaffold round that'
Now WTF, all of a sudden can we not think?????
FFS NASC/CISRS and the HSE never gave the Pyramid Scaffolders a ultimatum, and stated you need this card, because Tutankamen says so, even though King Isis says different:wondering:
I totally agree.
Why have scaffolders been discriminated? do they think we are all dickheads? i have never yet met a Scaffolder who would put a job up that they wouldnt put their name to.
We have pride in our work.
Prior to TG20.08 Scaffolders undertook and performed miracles, unknown to mankind. As long as you new about, Node points, load bearings and SWL the world was our Oyster. Case scenario 'Can the lads Scaffold round that'
Now WTF, all of a sudden can we not think?????
FFS NASC/CISRS and the HSE never gave the Pyramid Scaffolders a ultimatum, and stated you need this card, because Tutankamen says so, even though King Isis says different:wondering:
i wished tutankaman would put a curse on em.but theve robbed.so much off the working
class scaffolder over the last too decades that there even paye king isis off lmfao.
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english bob. i learnt loads off you older school m8.we didnt ave facelift.and nationwide.
then how did they think we built scaffolds before.m8.
class scaffolder over the last too decades that there even paye king isis off lmfao.
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english bob. i learnt loads off you older school m8.we didnt ave facelift.and nationwide.
then how did they think we built scaffolds before.m8.
english bob
Well-known member
got your drift now.talked to paddy carr today and i will have to sit nvq before 2012 or i wll have to start from scratch.very sad the way the industry is going.the job has not changed for 30 years.years ago you built a scaffold to the supervisors spec and he passed it.to much s..t now.think may be time to call it a day when my card is up for renewel
english bob
Well-known member
tell ya when you say about spies allways wondered who yahoo slurp spider and the others are.if they were that intrested in this forum they would join.just pi..ed of last night over more exams for us over 50s.life is bad enough.ill stick with it dico
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XxIANxX
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Its a ***** situation at the minute for ECITB card holders, I hope it gets sorted out , as i've said before a 2 day assessment should be more than adequate.
paddy carr
Moderator
Ian i second that mate, however, you know that will not happen in the near future, until our voice is heard. Then even then.......:sad: they will fight tooth and nail, as its there only source of income, Fleece the Scaffs for more money by introducing more Mickey and Minnie Mouse Accreditation courses.
Regards
Paddy
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XxIANxX
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Is it actually legal what they are doing, how can you discredit someones experience and trade body(ECITB) this far down the line. I wonder if they would back down if there were multiple claims going in against them for loss of earnings
english bob
Well-known member
ian i dont think they would back down.they the establishment have had everything there own way for so long.i am buggered if im going to start again at my age.im 53 now.it makes my blood boil.....angry again
Rigger
Moderator
English Bob
You will not be starting again,you are a fully trained and experienced scaffolder * Period *
Just because some unelected and self serving bodies decide in there own interest,s to move the goal post's as to cards/training does not take anything away from you.
The only way I see at present to have our voice heard is through this forum and SCCR with guys like Ragscaff leading the way there are no limits as to what we can achieve if we stick together and tell it as it is
Onward and Upward
You will not be starting again,you are a fully trained and experienced scaffolder * Period *
Just because some unelected and self serving bodies decide in there own interest,s to move the goal post's as to cards/training does not take anything away from you.
The only way I see at present to have our voice heard is through this forum and SCCR with guys like Ragscaff leading the way there are no limits as to what we can achieve if we stick together and tell it as it is
Onward and Upward
paddy carr
Moderator
The relationship between the regulator and industry
As mentioned above, HSC consults widely with those affected by its proposals. HSC/E work through:
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HSC’s Industry and Subject Advisory Committees,which have members drawn from the areas of work they cover, and focus on health and safety issues in particular industries (such as the textile industry, construction and education or areas such as toxic substances and genetic modification);
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intermediaries, such as small firms organisations;
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providing information and advice to employers and others with responsibilities under the Health and Safety at Work Act;
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guidance to enforcers, both HSE inspectors and those of local authorities;
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the daytoday
contact which inspectors have with people at work.
HSC directly canvasses the views of small businesses. It also seeks views in detail from representatives of small businesses about the impact on them of proposed legislation
This has to be where we fit in guys, It is not a Act or a Reg, for NVQs to be Law, We understand about ACOPs,Guidance notes and Law, however, as this is not Statute, who can enforce it with credence.
Paddy
As mentioned above, HSC consults widely with those affected by its proposals. HSC/E work through:
❋
HSC’s Industry and Subject Advisory Committees,which have members drawn from the areas of work they cover, and focus on health and safety issues in particular industries (such as the textile industry, construction and education or areas such as toxic substances and genetic modification);
❋
intermediaries, such as small firms organisations;
❋
providing information and advice to employers and others with responsibilities under the Health and Safety at Work Act;
❋
guidance to enforcers, both HSE inspectors and those of local authorities;
❋
the daytoday
contact which inspectors have with people at work.
HSC directly canvasses the views of small businesses. It also seeks views in detail from representatives of small businesses about the impact on them of proposed legislation
This has to be where we fit in guys, It is not a Act or a Reg, for NVQs to be Law, We understand about ACOPs,Guidance notes and Law, however, as this is not Statute, who can enforce it with credence.
Paddy
english bob
Well-known member
thanks rigger.coming over next week to start work for another forum member.this forum gets my full support.without this i would not know anything about the situation.and would not be offered work next week.i would like to thank everybody that put this forum on.keep up the good work....
Rigger
Moderator
sorry Paddy you have lost me :wondering:
Spell it out for a thick Yorkshireman Doe :worried:
Spell it out for a thick Yorkshireman Doe :worried:
paddy carr
Moderator
Sorry mate, was on my soapbox again.
what i was trying to express, was the HSE advertise for Consultation, Whearas the CISRS/NASC Dictate there terms.
surely with the HSE being the Enforcing body, and everyone jumps through Hoops when they arrive. They are our initial point of contact for taking things forward, I.E. miss out CISRS and the NASC, as they have already expressed that they can no longer assist us.
Regards
Paddy
Rigger
Moderator
Cheers Paddy with you now :idea: your statement below
"HSE advertise for Consultation, Whearas the CISRS/NASC Dictate there terms."
We can put our case to the HSE but I have doubts as to how much they can do ?? as an enforcement body thier remit is to police the legislation ect. currently in force.We have to challange the CISRS as the training body of the industry as to the reasons behind thier dictates,as for the NASC this is an EMPLOYERS trade federation and they will run it as they deem fit within thier parameters
What I take exception to is the NASC being the be all and end all of the scaffold industry in the UK
"HSE advertise for Consultation, Whearas the CISRS/NASC Dictate there terms."
We can put our case to the HSE but I have doubts as to how much they can do ?? as an enforcement body thier remit is to police the legislation ect. currently in force.We have to challange the CISRS as the training body of the industry as to the reasons behind thier dictates,as for the NASC this is an EMPLOYERS trade federation and they will run it as they deem fit within thier parameters
What I take exception to is the NASC being the be all and end all of the scaffold industry in the UK
Bigtone
Well-known member
If said this in various posts but everytime i think of this Csis bollox I hear the words of my Chargehand in my ear from 15 years ago.
You gotta learn to do the Labouring be for you do the fixing going by the requirements for a part1 you only need 3 months experince. for the part to only a furthur 12-24 weeks untill you can get a part 2. and then fu*k knows why you can then call yourself a scaffolder when in reality you know sh*t part 2 or not I doubt you could labour on a simple 3 sides of a house.
Thing thing that gets to me the most is alot of us have been in the game 10,15,20,30 years myself 15 and we dont have have anykind of ticket as we were never given the chance to go on them or worked for small firms who did not put us through them. we lose out on work to basically to people not all but aot of part 2 holders i would call frauds.
Why should those of us who have been around be forced to go through this **** and pay for it, if we need it by law then why cant those of us with experience be able to be put through it for free if we can give references.
What bugs me though is what tickets do the examiners have and how long if at all were they in the industry
You gotta learn to do the Labouring be for you do the fixing going by the requirements for a part1 you only need 3 months experince. for the part to only a furthur 12-24 weeks untill you can get a part 2. and then fu*k knows why you can then call yourself a scaffolder when in reality you know sh*t part 2 or not I doubt you could labour on a simple 3 sides of a house.
Thing thing that gets to me the most is alot of us have been in the game 10,15,20,30 years myself 15 and we dont have have anykind of ticket as we were never given the chance to go on them or worked for small firms who did not put us through them. we lose out on work to basically to people not all but aot of part 2 holders i would call frauds.
Why should those of us who have been around be forced to go through this **** and pay for it, if we need it by law then why cant those of us with experience be able to be put through it for free if we can give references.
What bugs me though is what tickets do the examiners have and how long if at all were they in the industry
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ragscaff
Guest
Paddy / Rigger,
Why do you think I started with the HSE contact.
As far as I'm concerned ECITB ticket holders are competent scaffolders in the HSE eyes. The sites that have been coned into going with only NASC companies are the only firms the ECITB scaffolders cannot work for. They can work for anyone else.
If we wished we could set up our own training scheme & card demonstrate the working practice & approach the same companies the NASC do!!
Ragscaff
:bigsmile:
Why do you think I started with the HSE contact.
As far as I'm concerned ECITB ticket holders are competent scaffolders in the HSE eyes. The sites that have been coned into going with only NASC companies are the only firms the ECITB scaffolders cannot work for. They can work for anyone else.
If we wished we could set up our own training scheme & card demonstrate the working practice & approach the same companies the NASC do!!
Ragscaff
:bigsmile:
while the likes of sgb/harsco cape palmers etc are all on the nasc gravy train there is no chance of ever turning back the tsunami of a tide that has swept upon the scaffolding fraternity.i do agree on the nvq/svq though as a 39 year old scaffolder who would love to f*** off out of this rat infested island,the more credentials the better.i do think that we should be sponsored to do the training they require however that is very rarely the case.BRITISH JOBS FOR BRITISH WORKERS