flooding the industry.
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rumple
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There are not enough coming in and in 5-10 years time there will be a skills gap. Not many companies are training as they are holding on to what they have. As you will have seen yourself wages are down, and the first thing that get knocked on the head in a recession is training.
Train to gain is on its way out to make way for apprenticeships, then you will have a three year window until they qualify.
Hope that helps.
Train to gain is on its way out to make way for apprenticeships, then you will have a three year window until they qualify.
Hope that helps.
scaffman1
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Always the way I see it dico, when your busy and looking for scaffs, they're very scarce. When your slack, they seem to be coming out of the woodwork.
dave b 2
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as rumple said and good scaffs are hard 2 find you cant have enough good scaffs
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steve gregory
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well youve got Acorn trianing lithuanians and fetching them over and working them for pittance and now capes have opened a cisrs centre in the middle east and training those so before we know it we can all enjoy a 21ft chow main.
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XxIANxX
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Its actually 18 month to qualify
Scaffolding Apprenticeship Academy
Qualification type: Apprenticeship Level: 2
What are the aims of this course?
Apprenticeships allow 16-24 year olds to start work and earn a wage, while learning new skills that lead to nationally recognised qualifications. Apprenticeships are designed with the help of employers in the industry, so they offer a structured programme that takes apprentices through the skills needed to do a job well. Most of an apprentice’s training takes place on the job but they will also have to complete off-the-job training within centre over a number of days in a block. Scaffolding apprentices work towards a work-based NVQ qualification in addition to the nationally recognised Construction Diploma.
What are the areas covered by this course?
The Apprenticeship covers the following:
- Workplace safety and safe work practices in construction
- Moving and handling resources
- Information, quantities and communication with others
- Building methods and construction technology
- Basic independent and birdcage scaffolds
- Basic scaffold towers
- Basic cantilevered scaffolds
- Basic pavement and roof scaffolds
- Provision for fall arrest
What qualifications do I need to do this course?
Applicants will need to show that they are committed, happy to work as part of a team and individually, and able to use their own initiative.
How is the course assessed?
The NVQ is assessed through work-based evidence compiled as a portfolio. The Diploma is assessed on practical assignments, unit end tests and an exam.
Which qualification will I be awarded if I successfully complete the course?
At the end of the programme apprentices will have achieved the Construction Skills NVQ Level 2 in Accessing Operations and Rigging and the Construction Skills Level 2 Diploma in Scaffolding. Apprentices will also have the opportunity to complete Functional Skills at level 1, including Application of Number and Communication.
What will I be able to go on to do after I’ve completed this course?
On completion of the Scaffolding Apprenticeship at level 2 apprentices can go on to complete the CISRS Scaffolding Advanced Course or Supervisors Course.
What are the career opportunities?
Apprentices who have completed their training can carry on working, maybe get promoted or go on to higher education in a college or university.
What benefits and grants are available to employers?
The training is fully funded by government apprenticeship schemes and fro businesses that are in scope to levy are entitled to attendance and achievement grants
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steve gregory
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Ian thats crap thers loads of units missing and then they can go for advanced.. hang on will thy know what a beam is pal..
rumple
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Ian, are you telling me someone 17 and half years old after 18 months training is the finished product? My quote of three years is to give them the chance to be advanced!!! Haha.
Would you have someone of that age with a 21 over Marks and Spencers in a city?
It takes our apprentices a minimum 2 and a half years to reach basic scaff standard:
6 Month Site Experience
2 Week Induction
6 Month Site Experience
Part 1
6 Month Site Experience
Part 1 Assessment
Part 2
6 Month Site Experience
Part 2 Assessment
I think that's right.:embarrest:
6 Month Site Experience
2 Week Induction
6 Month Site Experience
Part 1
6 Month Site Experience
Part 1 Assessment
Part 2
6 Month Site Experience
Part 2 Assessment
I think that's right.:embarrest:
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philliosmaximus
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if there is traffic wardens below then defiantly YES :nuts:
1997 i started in scaffolding and spent 2 years labouring and getting use to the the different lengths and weights and how to carry the gear and another 2 years as an improver, before the site manager applied for my grade 4 Ecitb card and then 4 years later i got my grade 5,
Maybe with this manual handling problem that kids are not spending enough time learning to labour first before there putting on a set of spanners.
I know people views on here bout the Ecitb card but at the end of the day someone put there name to apply for the card cause there knew you were competent to do the job and on a nuclear power station you come across 95% of the modules that Cisrs do, but have spent more time in gaining experience than purely on a attendance. I wouldnt put my name to someone being competent if they were not, end up being in court on a man slaughter charge if something went wrong.:notrust:
Maybe this should have been on the Ecitb thread Soz:embarrest:
Maybe with this manual handling problem that kids are not spending enough time learning to labour first before there putting on a set of spanners.
I know people views on here bout the Ecitb card but at the end of the day someone put there name to apply for the card cause there knew you were competent to do the job and on a nuclear power station you come across 95% of the modules that Cisrs do, but have spent more time in gaining experience than purely on a attendance. I wouldnt put my name to someone being competent if they were not, end up being in court on a man slaughter charge if something went wrong.:notrust:
Maybe this should have been on the Ecitb thread Soz:embarrest:
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Teesside is awash with Part 1's.
All they have to do is apply to go on the course via 'Train To Gain' and they are put through the course via an organisation called N.E.T.A.
The amount of people we get phoning up for a start and saying they are a 'Part 1 Scaffolder' is unbelievable !
When you ask them which other scaffolding companies they have worked for the answer is usually none, but I have done my course !
This situation is not good for the industry and is having a negative effect on the trade.
When you see some of the C.V's that are sent in they have previously had jobs in supermarkets, fast food chains and the like but are now seen fit to enter the industry because they have done a Part 1 Course !
This is so very wrong when you see the carry on some of the lads who have been working on E.C.I.T.B cards are having to get recognition.
All they have to do is apply to go on the course via 'Train To Gain' and they are put through the course via an organisation called N.E.T.A.
The amount of people we get phoning up for a start and saying they are a 'Part 1 Scaffolder' is unbelievable !
When you ask them which other scaffolding companies they have worked for the answer is usually none, but I have done my course !
This situation is not good for the industry and is having a negative effect on the trade.
When you see some of the C.V's that are sent in they have previously had jobs in supermarkets, fast food chains and the like but are now seen fit to enter the industry because they have done a Part 1 Course !
This is so very wrong when you see the carry on some of the lads who have been working on E.C.I.T.B cards are having to get recognition.
allan666
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maybe a trade test should be introduced .safely erecting a small scaffold by yourself within a set time . i work with people now with advanced cards that would fail with no one to hide behind . or pass gear to . this should be a new thread
great bit of information soulhawk unbelievable is the word i would use too.
bigun
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i agree with allan66 100% there is a massive skills gap in our industry already, the ticket you carry is no guarantee of competence,i know of advanced scaffolders who would have trouble basing out a house front.you should have to prove competence in all aspects of our trade before any cards are issued ...
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I agree.
soulhawk
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Agree with you there bigun.
There is a 'Competence Test' procedure in place at the company where I work.
However, when it is deemed necessary to use it the old 'human rights', 'victimisation' and 'bullying' protests start and they are straight on the phone to the union delegate ! What a kn*b he is as well !
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ragscaff
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Need to force the issue of our skills. We are a fully skllled industry, why has our only Industry body not looked out for its workforce!!!
Needs changing now!!
The S.C.C.R needs your support to do it.
Ragscaff
Needs changing now!!
The S.C.C.R needs your support to do it.
Ragscaff
rumple
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We need more scaffolders in the industry because reading this forum half of them want to be Nebosh Qualified, Go Abroad or a Designer.
Get Training. Haha
Get Training. Haha