exploited scaffolders

saintscaffolder said:
the figures came down because the industry crashed due too the latest resession consequently many were not working, i said the figures are the same nationally, implying that with or without the influence of the HSE people the figures have not changed from year to year

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ads for scaffolders and hourly rates are advertised in some parts of the country at nine pound an hour, you do on average a ten hour day , for money that has not gone up in line with inflation and is effected by the current economic resession, i doubt you get any more than me its obvious that you are a jobs worth, in your bosses pocket,i doubt you are getting what i said and judging by your stance you never will
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Think you need to find another job mate !
 
phil181 said:
I got a headache after the first two lines.
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I was in tears I feel so sorry for him anyone up for a paypal whipround !! I bet he has monaflex toggles as shoelaces and ladder lashing holding his jeans up !!!
Nobody said raoul moat was a scaffolder !!
Could be worse saintscaff you could be in a box landing at RAF lynam ??
 
Got to agree with 90% of what you say,especially the part about the arse lickers,''you know who you are''.
 
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Quite a sweeping statement with regards to your health & safety comment read below, be interesting if you could back up the rest of your post :(
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Latest Health and Safety Executive figures show there were 53 fatal injuries in the sector in 2008/9


The construction industry accounted for the third highest rate of fatal injuries in 2008/9, new figures from the Health and Safety Executive (HSE) revealed today.

In 2008/9, there were about 53 fatal injuries in the sector at a rate of 2.5 per 100,000 workers, which puts it just behind the agricultural and extractive industries.

The rate of fatal injuries has decreased by 34% over the past three years. Workplace fatal injuries fell from 233 in 2007/8 to a record low of 180 in 2008/9.

The HSE said comparisons with international data showed Britain to be one of the safest places to work in the EU.

Judith Hackitt, chair of HSE, said: “It is really encouraging to see these improvements in the numbers of deaths, injuries and cases of ill health at work over the last year.

“In spite of the encouraging overall statistics today let's not forget that they also tell us a story of individuals and families who have suffered. This underlines the real risks that people can face at work every day. This is what the real health and safety agenda has always been about and it will continue to be so.”
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It is also interesting that the focus that is placed on scaffolders safety is so intense as the number of scaffolders injured on site is low.
The hse might argue thats because of their efforts.
I personally think that the best way to reduce accidents is
1. Enforce CDM, some of the building designs and the build method lead to over complicated scaffolds and I dont think architects are held to book.
2. Abolish target work. How can we be saying to a scaffolder " we want you to work safe" then expect them to make a living on the worst of 3 bids given to the client.
The truth is without the HSE or sombody else adressing the main issue with H&S (MONEY) then companies will always have to take short cuts and the man on the tools will always be the man at risk.. By the way Saint Scaffolder. If it wasnt for the guys in the shirts where would you get your gear, wagons, training, ppe, and who would win the contract that you are working on. Most of the guys I know in a shirt at work were scaffs once and have served their time. Why not give it a crack the way describe it it sound like a piece of cake.
Lef
 
Well said Sir.
A few more years and you should be getting near to my salary.
I cant believe there are so many people on this site who work for such low wages and they are the ones who seem to have such a high opinion of themselves.
Good luck with Blackfriars!!
 
i thought (mistakenly) that this forum was all about bringing us together, to get us taken seriously. to be a force to be reckoned with . to help and support fellow scaffs,
but no it devolelops into petty arguing (the im on more money than you so you must be crap attitude) , we all have to take what jobs we can at the moment cant all be on £170+ a day. lets pull together to improve pay and conditions for the benefit of us all!!
 
get it off your chest saintscaffolder haha
no im only kidding mate i know where your coming from
to many poachers turned gamekeeper telling all us scaffs how things
should be done. btw agree what your saying bout rate of pay crooks in
suits the lot of them.
 
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Give it a rest Paddy, we're all big boys here not school children, if people act like babies on site same as they do on here then i don't know how they deal with day to day life. You take shi.t every day as a scaffolder and then come on here crying like a bitch (Not you personally Paddy) on an evening. Yeah some of us earn more money than others, I do quite well on 17 an hour but then like mightymouse said you do get what you are worth, I for one have had some shi.t off certain people on here for speaking the truth and the truth hurts!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 
Great!!

We take s**t all day, get the p**s took out of us now we start on each other.

Once upon a time we would stick together!!

When we ask you to voice on real issues only the few reply.

School boy bickering all sorts join in, my dad can beat up your dad blah blah blah.

What you get paid is your business, if we can somehow move forward with the forum & the SCCR then we may be able to make some sort of headway on wages HSE etc.

Ragscaff:cry:
 
and its agenys like here who keep the money down and if work direct they would have to keep you working long term
 
Another idea for the S.C.C.R. is set minimum agency rates. This can be done, contractor / scaffold firms do want a better service. So many times an agency will put scaffolders on site who cannot do the job! They want a body to turn up so they can charge.

Send in quality & the wages will go up. Get the main contractors to follow the rules & they will need quality scaffolders! Knock on affect.

Training poor, easy pass levels more so called scaffolders = less money for the man on the ground!!

Not the fault of the guys caught up in this, give them a ticket, they get work. The bulk of inexperienced scaffolders work agency. No offence there are some good guys. Monitor this & up the skill levels & you will get an improvement.

One thing I have never understood, why do we not train the scaffolders in the categories we do. 1/ Domestic 2/ Industrial 3/ Specialist & 4/ Offshore.

Sorry to offshore I am a greenhorn. I know you have separate HSE requirements but have you ever seen a high rised scaffolder ever try do base round a bay window! Or a domestic scaffolder ever try to base out an industrial unit following the line of the main support beams on a multi level building.

Experience that all it is, time served!!! Part 1 & 2 are too sort a time to gain this experience. The whole training system needs changing & more involvement from the companies:eek:

Ragscaff
 
i agree some of the agency scaffolders are ****, but not all of them are that bad as for the traineing thats down to all the jobs for them who, make a lot of bad rules for us not, to be able to do the job at all, but i have been in the game for a while and most the new charghands ask for hoists more men and cant even base out .plus most of the firms your on will pay more for the agency scaffs to work for them ,why not pay your own blokes more and mabe there get the job done
 
scaff11 said:
i agree some of the agency scaffolders are ****, but not all of them are that bad as for the traineing thats down to all the jobs for them who, make a lot of bad rules for us not, to be able to do the job at all, but i have been in the game for a while and most the new charghands ask for hoists more men and cant even base out .plus most of the firms your on will pay more for the agency scaffs to work for them ,why not pay your own blokes more and mabe there get the job done
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million dollar question!!:D
 
it will allways be unfair

just thought that i would say hello ,to answer the dental issue good job our balls arnt attatched to one bad tooth or we would be left with f&@k all.
 
essex said:
I was working at Dalston - East London Line extension for BBC as well, £185 a day end of 2008-2009 but was for a 10 hour day, so you getting £160 a day 8-3:30 is a complete lie, might not be if it is including your travel etc, i was on for skyblue, and that job was s*it, i still think your a arse licker!
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I worked for Skyblue at Dalston 2008/9 have to agree with everything you said Essex. Are you Micky ?
 
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