Ecitb scaffs tkt

it seems dave mosley is politely tellin u that you will still need their training. and there is something wrong that he says they have been in negotitations for 10 years and as for saying the response was low(100) hard to believe that people dont want to do something about it. MR sprinkle im wonderin where your jobcentre is , as that sounds too good to be true, hard to believe. As far as score tickets goes , in scotland it seems like they were being handed ouyt if u had a spanners and a belt, i know they were being handed out to anybody , without them doing anything, just another aspect of this fucked up industry of ours.
 
iv emailed the bold tom 4times now and still never had reply of any sort this tells me hes fudging the issue at hand,unite the union as an organisation seem to not want to recognise this scandal is unfurling in front of ALL of our eyes.they are up to their knees in it concerning this issue dont think the TIN HELMET approach they seem to have adopted will work though.WE WONT GO AWAY TOM.
 
jb78 said:
in scotland it seems like they were being handed ouyt if u had a spanners and a belt, i know they were being handed out to anybody , without them doing anything, just another aspect of this fucked up industry of ours.
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If I remember right jb78 it was 50 or 100 quid that secured your score card m8.:amazed:
 
it seems the main obstacle about ecitb cardholders upgrading to cisrs is money. as for dave mosley wantin to give a guy whos been workin for 22 years a trainee card, well that says it all. if it wasnt about makin money for these cunts, they could let people who might not have the money, do the course and sort out a payment plan to be paid in installments. i mean it is money isnt it , thats stoppin these guys gettin cisrs , maybe some cant afford it, maybe some cant get round the fact they have to pay to do their job.
 
Money & pride.

If I had my card removed & was told to start from trainee then I would just walk away. My hats off to the guys on here & the other guys who have joined the SCCR to get together & be a voice for this sort of farce.

All good & well even if it was paid for, Advanced scaffolder starting again 1-18 months later (if you are lucky) whos going to pay for the 20-30 days that they are not being paid whilst training, whos going to up their money whilst waiting to get qualified again.

Where will it end, whos going to be next!!!!

Stewart Quinney
SCCR Chairman
 
would they want u to do part 1 and then what work for 6 months then go back for part 2, and then more experience before advanced. even though they know they are not teachin anything u dont know. but their defence is that they need to make sure they know that u know , its good to see people concerned trying to work together, but this mosely guy seems to not give a ****, he's making out they've tried to help and nobodies interested. WRONG.
 
ragscaff

No word from Tom H this end either and this from the Union Leader

He never writes :love: he never phones :cry: he takes the Union Fee's through :p
 
"WHO WILL BE NEXT" that the pertinant quote here EASY answer US.US if we stand divided as we always have US if we aimlessly carry on the way we have,but if we join together as one voice one body then it MAYBE wont be US,to start this we must have answers from mr hardacre or his organisation who have shown a near intolerable level of ignorance towards SCCR-FORUM and UNION members with his non-reply.the start of the recovery lies with the EICTB issue.
 
Garry Adams said:
ragscaff

No word from Tom H this end either and this from the Union Leader

He never writes :love: he never phones :cry: he takes the Union Fee's through :p
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No reply for me either, and I have sent it five times now.
 
ragscaff said:
Money & pride.

If I had my card removed & was told to start from trainee then I would just walk away. My hats off to the guys on here & the other guys who have joined the SCCR to get together & be a voice for this sort of farce.

All good & well even if it was paid for, Advanced scaffolder starting again 1-18 months later (if you are lucky) whos going to pay for the 20-30 days that they are not being paid whilst training, whos going to up their money whilst waiting to get qualified again.

Where will it end, whos going to be next!!!!

Stewart Quinney
SCCR Chairman
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thats what they want ragscaff for you to walk away hats off to the sccr and the support of the forum your not exspected to resit your driving test after 24 years so why should you have to train to become a scaffolder again like you say ragscaff how will be next the ones without a nvq i thought exsperience
was an nvq
 
I posted at the beginning of last year, that the NVQ would have to be a addition on a CISRS card by 2012, i got shot down in flames. Watch this space guys.

The CSCS,CPCS and CISRS schemes, have allmost covered everyone that needed them, the only new ones will be for new starters (not that many in this current climate) and a steady influx of card renewals. So how do they generate new income???? i rest my case.
 
the fact this thread has 74 pages, says it all, im wonderin how many people are affected by this, and if they can do something together to do something about this, if all people concerned were to work together, get something down on paper, sent to the union and NASC/CITB, then each person in the city where they live contacts local mp, could it actually do something , get some sort of concession for the people concerned, i am not ECITB but the fact that they are prepared to make these guys unemployable unless they go through what would need to be about 2 years of retraining (would they want 6 months inbetween part 1 and 2 then advanced) not to mention the costs involved, is pathetic and probably a good reflection of how fucked up britain is in general. the people tryin to do this are heartless b*******.
 
progress?

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does anybody have an idea how many ECITB in britain?


**** ive left the oven on
 
cisrs estimate there is approx 400 still be sent over to the cisrs route I'd say 10 fold it myself..
 
all the parties involved with this ecitb ticket why cant they come to an agreement its not the best ticket after all the years that the ecitb scaffolder has put in but lets say a part 1 cisrs ticket never thought i would say this but it makes sence to the ecitb scaffolder as most clients and employees no the ecitb scaffolders they would paye them
the rate that there worth and they could carry on there careers and the client would be happy too.i know the part 1 scaffolder would need to work with a advance scaffolder but
that would have to be untill the part1scaffolder chooses to do hes part 2 course even if the ecitb scaffolder has to supply work history and refrences so basically the part 1 ticket would be worth an advanced ticket to the employee or clients that have employed you over the last 25 years or so like i said its not the best ticket but if you can supply work history and refrences its got to be better than a trainee as for the lads
that have paid for there cisrs out of there own money ecitb should should reinburse them
75% of there fees back for makeing such a b!llocks of the system!!god if life was so simple.
 
This was taken from the NASC website with regards to CISRS training


Construction Industry Scaffolders Record Scheme (CISRS)

CISRS aims to ensure that operatives erecting, altering or dismantling scaffolds are properly trained and have sufficient experience to carry out work safely and correctly. The scheme, which is the industry-recognised qualification, has been in existence for over 30 years and is affiliated to the Construction Skills Certification Scheme (CSCS). At present, there are over 27,000 scaffolders registered with CISRS. CISRS issues record cards to operatives who have satisfactorily completed the required training, gained appropriate experience, achieved the relevant NVQ/SVQ and passed the industry recognised Construction Skills (CSkills) Health and Safety test.

Please note Neither CISRS certificates of training or S/NVQ Access and Rigging Operations Levels 2 and 3 are recongised as a stand alone qualification. An operative must meet all the requisite CISRS criteria before being deemed competent.



This link is for the assessed route, its a PDF so cant paste , read the bottom line http://www.safetyaccess.co.uk/pdf/courses/assessed_route_adv.pdf


So what do the assessed route CISRS card and ECITB tickets have in common, neither comply with the Work at Height Regs 2005
 
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