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is a lift shaft a confined space when erecting a scaffold from the floor up ?

seems a bit strange to class it so ( kier again )
 
Strange one that,i guess it is,but never really considered it.
Are kiers telling you to wear extra ppe then?
 
Definitions
"Confined space" means a space that:
(1) Is large enough to enter and perform work
(2) Has limited or restricted means for entry or exit
(3) Is not designed for continuous employee occupancy

"Permit-required confined space (permit space)" means a confined space that has one or more of the following characteristics:
a. Contains or has a known potential to contain a hazardous atmosphere;
b. Contains a material with the potential for engulfment of the entrant;
c. Has an internal configuration such that an entrant could be trapped or asphyxiated by inwardly converging walls or a floor which slopes downward and tapers to a smaller cross-section;

So yes a lift shaft is a confined space, going up or down don’t matter
 
Confined space

On my con find space course was told that even a ditch or reyne next to motorway was a con find space ,
 
I'm saying confined space yes
BUT my risk assessment says that it wouldn't need a permit to work as no specific dangers I can see from oxygen or chemical substances floor levels no more than 3m apart a ladder can be put down from floor above as exit or on floor below
It is only two story's ie one floor I'm saying no need to have operatives confined space trained
Just specific rams
 
timthumb said:
I'm saying confined space yes
BUT my risk assessment says that it wouldn't need a permit to work as no specific dangers I can see from oxygen or chemical substances floor levels no more than 3m apart a ladder can be put down from floor above as exit or on floor below
It is only two story's ie one floor I'm saying no need to have operatives confined space trained
Just specific rams
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If it a lift shaft it’s a confined space period, don’t matter what access you have in or out.
 
Citation, commencement and interpretation

1.—(1)*These Regulations may be cited as the Confined Spaces Regulations 1997 and shall come into force on 28th January 1998.

(2)*In these Regulations, unless the context otherwise requires—

“confined space” means any place, including any chamber, tank, vat, silo, pit, trench, pipe, sewer, flue, well or other similar space in which, by virtue of its enclosed nature, there arises a reasonably foreseeable specified risk;
“diving operation” has the meaning assigned thereto by regulation 2(1) of the Diving Operations at Work Regulations 1981(1);
“free flowing solid” means any substance consisting of solid particles and which is of, or is capable of being in, a flowing or running consistency, and includes flour, grain, sugar, sand or other similar material;
“mine” has the meaning assigned thereto by section 180 of the Mines and Quarries Act 1954(2);
“specified risk” means a risk of—
(a)serious injury to any person at work arising from a fire or explosion;
(b)without prejudice to paragraph (a)—
(i)the loss of consciousness of any person at work arising from an increase in body temperature;
(ii)the loss of consciousness or asphyxiation of any person at work arising from gas, fume, vapour or the lack of oxygen;
(c)the drowning of any person at work arising from an increase in the level of a liquid; or
(d)the asphyxiation of any person at work arising from a free flowing solid or the inability to reach a respirable environment due to entrapment by a free flowing solid;
“system of work” includes the provision of suitable equipment which is in good working order.
(1)S.I. 1981/399; relevant amending instrument is S.I. 1990/996.
(2)1954 c. 70; section 180 was modified by paragraph 3 of Part I of Schedule 2 to S.I. 1974/2013 and by Schedule 3, Part II of S.I. 1993/1897.
 
I see it as ian does and think that's from the Hse
Does a lift engineer need a confined space ticket to work off the platform ?
 
timthumb said:
I see it as ian does and think that's from the Hse
Does a lift engineer need a confined space ticket to work off the platform ?
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If you’re in a confined space you need adequate training, don’t matter if you’re an engineer or can jump through hoops
 
A confined space is a confined space, don’t matter if you’re in Timbuck 2, they all carry the same dangers.
Who wrote the risk assessment for the task in hand?
 
I suppose they would say that Ian. Restricted access and egress would make that a confined space.
 
my advise would be anything that your not sure of or you feel is unsafe challenge it,as ultimately its your life.get it gas tested and have monitors and top man and rescue plan no matter what joe cole says always challenge what you feel aint right.
 
frederik said:
I suppose they would say that Ian. Restricted access and egress would make that a confined space.
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I'd go with the guidance notes. There's restricted access to the moon that doesn't make it a confined space :D
 
you would't always need formal training for confined space work, depends on the specific job and site. If say for instance it was a low risk job on big site like nuclear or petrochem where they already have rescue teams, permits to work and safe systems of work already in place then maybe just a trained safety man in attendance at the job face to over see the work may adequate with the other members of the team briefed on the hazards. then if the job was on a water treatment plant in the middle of nowhere where the scaffold team would be their main safety/rescue team then full training should be given to all operatives.
 
I'm saying I'm happy with the situation it's only a lift shaft 6 m high no hazardous substances ... No oxygen problem
What advantage would be gained by having training in confined spaced being advised about gas masks ... gas meters .. Communication two radios ( I can talk to the men from either floor
It's just over kill on my mind
Risk assessed .. Method statement off we go !!!!
 
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