CISRS Instructor qualifications
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poacher turned gamekeeper
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Soz: IF I thought you were a access consultant not an expert???? , suppose it's a posh name for a high alltitute tubular Technion....turned.....
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Nothing out there i have not built, worked everywhere, nuclear, power stations, refineries, streets, offshore for years. 18 years erecting prior to going into safety. Advanced Scaff
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here we go again with the cryptic messaging, get it off your chest
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here we go again with the cryptic messaging, get it off your chest
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Where have we crossed then?
poacher turned gamekeeper
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not knocking anybodys competence but!!! how much does the cisrs cover powerstations. nuclear entries into the circuit. refineries, offshore. these jobs are specialist jobs which get built a certain way every time there errected not the day to day stuff on the course anybody thats worked on these jobs will see were iam comeing from this is not a dig simian but think this should be brought up,
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dico correct me if im wrong but is CISRS not just the registration scheme???the nvq id say is the qualifacation mate im pretty sure that you have to be CISRS registered to attain the valid training courses\tickets to gain entry to all of the above mentioned sites so id say being CISRS registered is vital.
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Dico who would Dis Simian??? they are the most up todate most accomplished Scaffolding consultancy Firm in the UK (apart from Safety & Access, Notts) the benchmark.:laugh:
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brandy i know where your coming from but a poorly built scaffold is poorly built,an accident is an accident no matter where these occur mate,no matter where the job is wether it be industrial or site.
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I agree, when i did my advanced course years ago i could work the material out from the drawings quicker than the other five because i had to work it out at the rack onto a tractor trailer or wagon and get it to a job. The other guys were street workers or site based where wagons arrived at sites fully loaded and material estimated for them.
The CISRS training does not cover boiler work, but in principle most jobs on a powerstation is a tower and it covers that, on a station or a rig if you have a butt and two beamclamps you are away. From my offshore work and CISRS you would not know treble handrails unless you had been there and aberdeen transoms. I know the scheme is not all things to all people or areas however its come on leaps in the last 2 years.
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Thats why we left them, they were too good for us.
when i stated a special way i was meaning the jobs if there not built a certain way the plant or valve wont come out when its being removed not going into a debate but think theres a bit more to a station than a tower yes a butt and 2 beam clamps you are away but what iam trying to say is the jobs that get built a certain way every outage or on maintaince are different to whats on the course havent done off shore but as for abberdean transoms theve been used for years on the stations and treble handrails depending if the weilder or lagger or fitter needs to get down to a low part of the boarded lift wether a treble handrail gets put in as you know we dont have bricklayers or roofers on site.
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Dico you are right all courses involve scaffolding being built with nothing in the way, courses only teach you the basics and build your confidence, there's no substitute for a live environment. I'm still learning everyday.
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This is why training is 2 fold, centre to learn and nvq to prove competence in a live environment
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This is why training is 2 fold, centre to learn and nvq to prove competence in a live environment
fair play simian. but youve answered my question what i wanted.the ecitb scaffolder is about to loose there career down the toilet pan so how much confidence and working in a live enviroment is needed 10, 15, 20, 25, should be substitute for a course not a trainee ticket most blokes are late 40 50s theve probably got 10 years left on the tools these tickets should be able to run there course now untill they retire and the tickets retire with them not put them on a trainee course you never stop learning simian make you right there.
celticbhoy
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a sensible answer to a protracted saga dico best solution ive heard yet on the EICTB matter mate.
happyhugenoet
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i am an advanced scaffolder who has worked on street,stations offshore and terminals etc,and i think that there should be some sort of specialised sort of scaffolders induction to work on the industrial side of things.
(i mention induction because the training only encourages more money making schemes)
when on a plant construction job on shore or a shutdown offshore scaffolds get built then systematically butchered to feck,for pipework,valves ets to get rigged up this is were the experience dico speaks about is invaluable.
when on these jobs the tube thats in the way is always the dropper or a ledger and when it comes to the strip theres a lot of head scratching to see whats holding what up
(i mention induction because the training only encourages more money making schemes)
when on a plant construction job on shore or a shutdown offshore scaffolds get built then systematically butchered to feck,for pipework,valves ets to get rigged up this is were the experience dico speaks about is invaluable.
when on these jobs the tube thats in the way is always the dropper or a ledger and when it comes to the strip theres a lot of head scratching to see whats holding what up
some sites have the same gang that built the jobs do the strikeing but!! if your a trained scaffolder why should this be any scaffolders thats trained should be able to work out whats holding what up good pointer happyhugenoet no good haveing the tickets if you cant do the job its fine scratching your head why you take in whats holding what up. its when your scratching your head and dont know whats what.
been away a short holiday. some good points and most are linkd to what i am saying about the industry getting worse by allowing non scaffolders to be a cisrs instructor. if you think about it this meens that in the future you could be in a class that is been delivered by a joker who managed to bluff his way into being a cisrs instructor. simian thanks for that name to contact i will email him and let him no that if cisrs do let this imposter become an instructor it will take work away from scaffolders and training companys. why dont everyone email this cisrs manager and tell him we only want advanced scaffolders to be allowd to be instructors.
i no this is a old tag but i no a lot of guys in there 50,s who would make excellent instructors, guys who have done it all ,but put of through the CRB check,some indiscretions when they where younger who hasn,t, dont no if there should be a time limit for minor indiscretions, obviously not for peados, but a lot of men are afraid to apply to the companies who are needing experienced men.