Roof saddle, a bit of p**s! yes it is done on your part 2, and good and easy money to be made on price. As for a drawing I personally would be insulted! What has happened to the days when your boss or supervisor phoned you and told you where the job is, you turn up, lorry with a mixed load, talk to the customer or agent to see what they want and just get on with it. Thanks Paddy and Phil, spot on, what the fek has happened to the game? As a labourer after 6 months if you did not have all the correct tube and fittings sorted for the fixers, well "Sticky's thrown at you, things said about your Mum, and worst, you buy your breakfast the next day! loved TDK lol