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english bob
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dont sound very good.done a job in monaghan a month ago still no money and no answer on phone
Dandaps
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Yer agreed a price on first house. put it up last week they said can we have a discount because they are getting loads of work and they will give it all to us. then they wanted second job going up 3 sides of house 2 lifts with beam work over 21ft conservatory did it. Then went for money on first job they knocked us down £100 after we agreed the first price. Householder complaining to scaffs about workmanship on roof when they got there. Something felt dodgy they accused us of asking householder for money which was a lie. So I told them that the second job we put up for them would be the last. Now I get feeling we are not going to see any £££'s and feel like taking the job down before roofers get on it.
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steve gregory
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speak to them .. Ask for payment today... No Money = NO SCAFFOLD ( DISMANTLE ASAP.) If they want to do any dealing in the future its money up front SIMPLE. companies dont need this crap its hard enough out there .
english bob
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think you could get into legal trouble on here.thats the one thing the forum doesnt need
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steve gregory
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correct bob ...
the customer hasnt done anything wrong. its the client your working 4. do credit checks in future....
be professional and see the customer who lives there and explain why...
see if they have paid before works commence...... If they have offer your appologies giving the reason why... hopefully they wont have and they should have a contract with the contractor... read carefully .....dont leave yourself open....
good luck...
the customer hasnt done anything wrong. its the client your working 4. do credit checks in future....
be professional and see the customer who lives there and explain why...
see if they have paid before works commence...... If they have offer your appologies giving the reason why... hopefully they wont have and they should have a contract with the contractor... read carefully .....dont leave yourself open....
good luck...
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Dandaps
I know where you are mate,
Looks like a slippery outfit,drives you down to a rock bottom price,then keeps another £100 back
You have agreed to this so that is the end of the matter
personaly I would strip the secound job before works commences on roof if client does not pay cash before job starts.You have nothing to lose as you said you would not work for them again
I am assuming that you have not exchanged contracts and it is an informal agreement to supply scaffolding
I know where you are mate,
Looks like a slippery outfit,drives you down to a rock bottom price,then keeps another £100 back
You have agreed to this so that is the end of the matter
personaly I would strip the secound job before works commences on roof if client does not pay cash before job starts.You have nothing to lose as you said you would not work for them again
I am assuming that you have not exchanged contracts and it is an informal agreement to supply scaffolding
We had a big rant about this before,we can't do the name and shame thing because of legal reasons,I think your perfectly entitled to say what you want about who you want if you can or have proved it, but until you have ,you can't , if you see what I mean.
Rigger
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This may help or not
James Sturcke
British libel laws were already complicated enough before the internet came along. Their aim is to balance the right of free speech against protection for the reputation of an individual from unjustified attack.
In law, a person is defamed if statements in a publication expose him to hatred or ridicule, cause him to be shunned, lower him in the estimation in the minds of "right-thinking" members of society or disparage him in his work.
Juries are told that the measuring stick of a libel being committed is whether any of this would affect how a "reasonable man" views the complainant.
There are defences in law for libel. The publisher could prove the statement to be true, it could be fair comment - so long as the opinion is based on true facts, is genuinely held and not influenced by malice - or it could be protected by privilege (reporting of comments made in parliament, courts and other official arenas are, generally speaking, protected from libel actions).
Since the 1998 Reynolds claim against Times Newspapers, it has become accepted that material published in the public interest is a further defence in libel proceedings.
The problem for anyone preparing to publish information which may be defamatory, is that the laws are very much open to interpretation. Different juries will have different views on what exactly influences a right-thinking man.
What is certain is that the legal costs of defending a libel action will be considerable, often running into hundreds of thousands of pounds. The loser almost always has to pay the costs of the winner, plus any damages awarded to the claimant.
In effect, fighting libel cases is an expensive game of chicken, which newspapers are often reluctant to enter into, even when they believe they have a strong case.
The emergence of the internet has further complicated the issue. Individuals now have a simple way of putting their writings online - with little or no review or vetting.
Over the past decade, forums and online chats have introduced a new genre of writing, that in effect provides a written record of raw, impulsive conversations where most participants have paid scant consideration to any legal implications.
Furthermore, internet postings can be read anywhere, bringing into question issues of jurisdiction. The internet has also been seen as a place where people can express themselves anonymously, although the rise of successful online child pornography and grooming prosecutions has raised awareness of the trail left by ISP addresses.
Finally, there have also been past doubts about who is the actual publisher of online information and what, if any, protection they should have from being sued. In print, the primary publisher is the newspaper and any libel action would normally be directed against the author or editor or both. It is rare, though not unheard of, for the shop which sold the publication, known as the secondary publisher, also to have to pay out. The issue with online articles is whether the publisher is the person who runs the website, or the ISP which hosts it.
James Sturcke
- guardian.co.uk, Thursday 31 August 2006 12.03 BST
British libel laws were already complicated enough before the internet came along. Their aim is to balance the right of free speech against protection for the reputation of an individual from unjustified attack.
In law, a person is defamed if statements in a publication expose him to hatred or ridicule, cause him to be shunned, lower him in the estimation in the minds of "right-thinking" members of society or disparage him in his work.
Juries are told that the measuring stick of a libel being committed is whether any of this would affect how a "reasonable man" views the complainant.
There are defences in law for libel. The publisher could prove the statement to be true, it could be fair comment - so long as the opinion is based on true facts, is genuinely held and not influenced by malice - or it could be protected by privilege (reporting of comments made in parliament, courts and other official arenas are, generally speaking, protected from libel actions).
Since the 1998 Reynolds claim against Times Newspapers, it has become accepted that material published in the public interest is a further defence in libel proceedings.
The problem for anyone preparing to publish information which may be defamatory, is that the laws are very much open to interpretation. Different juries will have different views on what exactly influences a right-thinking man.
What is certain is that the legal costs of defending a libel action will be considerable, often running into hundreds of thousands of pounds. The loser almost always has to pay the costs of the winner, plus any damages awarded to the claimant.
In effect, fighting libel cases is an expensive game of chicken, which newspapers are often reluctant to enter into, even when they believe they have a strong case.
The emergence of the internet has further complicated the issue. Individuals now have a simple way of putting their writings online - with little or no review or vetting.
Over the past decade, forums and online chats have introduced a new genre of writing, that in effect provides a written record of raw, impulsive conversations where most participants have paid scant consideration to any legal implications.
Furthermore, internet postings can be read anywhere, bringing into question issues of jurisdiction. The internet has also been seen as a place where people can express themselves anonymously, although the rise of successful online child pornography and grooming prosecutions has raised awareness of the trail left by ISP addresses.
Finally, there have also been past doubts about who is the actual publisher of online information and what, if any, protection they should have from being sued. In print, the primary publisher is the newspaper and any libel action would normally be directed against the author or editor or both. It is rare, though not unheard of, for the shop which sold the publication, known as the secondary publisher, also to have to pay out. The issue with online articles is whether the publisher is the person who runs the website, or the ISP which hosts it.
english bob
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a mind of imformation rigger
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true - looked that firm up on riskdisk and dont excist , you gotta start credit checking mate if they no good insist on upfront payment or payment when up , if not **** the cunts off , aint worth the risk
how funny blocked f u c k but not cunts
how funny blocked f u c k but not cunts
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Rigger
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English Bob
no just good with Google,and cutting and pasting
you had to spend hours in reference libraries years ago to obtain information
To me knowledge is not what you know,It's knowing where to go to obtain that information.With the net it is so easy and you can view different interpretations and cross reference in minutes
Best thing since the birth pill in the 60,s
no just good with Google,and cutting and pasting
you had to spend hours in reference libraries years ago to obtain information
To me knowledge is not what you know,It's knowing where to go to obtain that information.With the net it is so easy and you can view different interpretations and cross reference in minutes
Best thing since the birth pill in the 60,s
RedViking
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Red tag the scaffold , take all the boards and ladders away the homeowner will Get fed up and chase the roofing firm , make sure you keep a diary and photos .good luck
Dandaps
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Yer I suppose so Scaffy. We do have credit checker from Barclays but having met up with them thought they might be genuine and never bothered. suppose I left myself open but "Once Bitten Twice Shy" it won't be happening again!
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Yer been back today took photo's will chase them legally if it all go's wrong.
They still might pay. (Fingers crossed) If I strike the job I definately won't see any money.
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Yer been back today took photo's will chase them legally if it all go's wrong.
They still might pay. (Fingers crossed) If I strike the job I definately won't see any money.
Dandaps
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Jobs down now still not paid said they would meet us friday to pay. Didn't turn up.
Now no answer on phones after numerous calls, sent repeat invoices, Today sent solicitors letter demanding payment. Does anybody have any advice on taking people through small claims court. I also have photo's of the job as evidence.
Now no answer on phones after numerous calls, sent repeat invoices, Today sent solicitors letter demanding payment. Does anybody have any advice on taking people through small claims court. I also have photo's of the job as evidence.