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Exciting Opportunities in a Scaffolding Career for Young People!! « Website News « Safety & Access Ltd

Safety & Access Ltd are soon to open the NEW Scaffolding Apprentice Academy to offer to Learn 16-18 an apprenticeship scheme in cooperation with ConstructionSkills for Scaffolders.

Safety & Access Ltd will be starting our first selection of apprentices in September 2010 for the 11 Week Training programme over the next 18 Months. This is based on a selection process beforehand.

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Each apprentice will achieve the following qualification within the 18 Month Period

CISRS Scaffolder Card
Scaffolding Diploma Level 2
S/NVQ Level 2
Functional Skills Level 1
Health & Safety Test
We aim our apprentices to gain professional qualifications and skills and therefore we are happy to contribute to local community development.
 
Sorry!!

Long day but is that 11 weeks over an 18 month period. Does that mean after 11 weeks training they will let loose scaffolders with a part 2 ticket. That is criminal!!

What the hell is going on!!:(:sick:


Ragscaff
 
I think we've been running this scheme for EON at Ratcliffe now for a few years . Unbelievable I know
 
Please will somebody tell me that I got it all wrong :sad:

A boy of 16 can undertake 11 weeks "training" over a 18 month period and at the age of 17.5 hold a part 2 CISRS card.
 
shoot me down if you want guys but if he is working on a station doing say 60 to 70 hours a week with a good gang thats learning him well and giving the lad chance.

with a good attitude i reckon he could be a half decent second fixer you not think lads? remember you do a lot of hours on the stations and you get time to put up a decent job.

its not as if he is going to be running up and down a ladder with 5 5,s on his shoulder all day on price is it?.



just my opinion
 
At 16 -18 years old the majority are not interested in learning anything , you might get 3 or 4 out of 20 that want to learn
 
thats a real good point ian i think with a lot of young lads they get sick of constantly carrying gear which you cant help on the street but in the stations its a differnt ball game. so some could stand a chance

well unless your on a job and knock
 
3 years labouring when I started. 3 months before I was let off the ground.

Progress is safe!!!! Part 2 can go out on his own for feck sake. Its not safe at all!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!11:mad::mad:
 
ragscaff dont take this the wrong way but what kid is gonna want to and stay intrested for 3 years if all there gonna do is carry gear ?

you have to give the lads a challange a little chance.

thats what iam saying in the stations you have the time to do just that
 
:worried:This is what we are saying!! The training needs to be specific to the different areas in the Industry. Some sites you have time to teach but 70% of firms want two handed gangs. If you get a part 2 & offered more money you will try. A large persentage of agency guys will be new part 2 scaffolders. The time scale they are talking is not good, in fact unsafe.

Work with employers & stage training to experiance & keep the guys interseted.

In the old days if you stuck at it after all the beasting then you were more likley to become a good scaffolder, like the beasting you used to get in the army make or break.

Now we have to teach, but don't let them out with a loaded gun if they are not sure where the trigger is!!!!:worried:

Ragscaff
 
very good points ragscaff.

i can see where your coming from but i dont think any newley trained part 2 is gonna jack a blue book job for summat else. (unless hes got a screw loose) so in theory he will stay on the supervisors will know the score and keep him as a second fixer untill he can progress.
 
Scaffdude
I know what your saying about giving the younger end a chance and that 3 years labouring is too long,but a minimum of 6 month is needed to get to know the gear and the normal methods of work

But I do not think power stations are a good place to take inexperienced men let alone boys.whenever I worked the boilers it was on price with an experienced team from top hands to labourers there was no place for anyone who needed training

There is a lot of legislation that governs the employment and welfare of under 18's one of which is the hours of work

Young workers

A young worker is someone under 18 but over school leaving age. Young workers may not normally work more than eight hours a day or 40 hours a week. The hours can't be averaged out for young workers.

There is no opt-out for young workers.

Working time limits

A young worker cannot usually be made to work more than eight hours per day or 40 hours per week. These hours cannot be averaged over a longer period and you're not allowed to ignore these restrictions.
You'll only be able to work longer hours if you either need to:

keep the continuity of service or production
respond to a surge in demand for a service or product and provided that:
there is no adult available to do the work
your training needs are not negatively affected
 
Personally I think the Apprenticeships scheme is a good idea, although I believe the time served on them needs to be 3 years not 18 month
 
good point ian it would be better over 3 years.

and i think any training companies are prepared to provide is a good thing in my eyes its cost me thousends to put myself through training
 
take me hat off to you rigger watched the vange lads at kingsnorth in 2007 do the boiler
good money mate.but boy do you lads earn it.
 
Im with Ragscaff all the way here..


This is all bollox as we know, its got sod all to do with anything else other than getting the funding money.....

Fair point though that there are SOME lads interested in learning but they are few and far between, not seen many of them lately.

I think its plain dangerous to have ticketed people out on site with so little REAL experience. Supervision would need to be so more intense which in turn puts more presuure on supervisors and chargehands.
 
Hi Guys

I tend to agree with Dave, 18 months is not long enough to achieve level 2 (or the old basic card status).
As most guys state letting an 18 year old loose with a part 2 card working on a dodgy building site would be very dangerous.
I did some workplace assessing a few years and most of the guys under 21 were not interested and were just looking to get their card ASAP to get more cash.

There was no way that a majority of them could have acheived level 2 status within 18 months.

A lot of the training companies are just using goverment funded schemes as a way to make money which is wrong.
I am not sure on the best way forward for brining young trainee scaffolders into the industry and ensuring they get the right types of training and experiance as the old & new ways were always open to abuse.
I do however agree that 3-6 months ground work learing about the components and manual handling is the best way forward initially.
 
scottishscaff said:
Hi Guys

I tend to agree with Dave, 18 months is not long enough to achieve level 2 (or the old basic card status).
As most guys state letting an 18 year old loose with a part 2 card working on a dodgy building site would be very dangerous.
I did some workplace assessing a few years and most of the guys under 21 were not interested and were just looking to get their card ASAP to get more cash.

There was no way that a majority of them could have acheived level 2 status within 18 months.

A lot of the training companies are just using goverment funded schemes as a way to make money which is wrong.
I am not sure on the best way forward for brining young trainee scaffolders into the industry and ensuring they get the right types of training and experiance as the old & new ways were always open to abuse.
I do however agree that 3-6 months ground work learing about the components and manual handling is the best way forward initially.
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Hopefully they will be gaining the 3-6 months components and manual handling experience during there placements with contractors
 
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