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Advanced Handrails!!

Good or not?

I agree with the idea above 3 lifts. Controlled tunneling in most cases is perfrctly safe from 3 lifts down.

Ragscaff
 
ragscaff said:
Advanced Handrails!!

Good or not?

I agree with the idea above 3 lifts. Controlled tunneling in most cases is perfrctly safe from 3 lifts down.

Ragscaff
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Total crap i`ve used it and its ok on a straight run but made of aluminium how long before it gets bent or full of compo and you cant use it.
 
Never used that system but have been using the scaffsteps for about 2 months. I think they work well. It's just that we are reluctant to accept change.
 
ragscaff said:
Advanced Handrails!!

Good or not?

I agree with the idea above 3 lifts. Controlled tunneling in most cases is perfrctly safe from 3 lifts down.

Ragscaff
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Used a few advanced handrails ...steps are by far the best .
There is a thread called '' safety steps ''
 
Not sure if Crap & Total Crap is to the advanced rail or the idea of tunnelling from 3 lifts below in some circumstances.

House bashing, how can you regulate it! Most base outs you are lucky to stand in the garden let alone be able to implement an advanced rail system! The front of an average house is 20-40ft base out. How many firms are going to use this system. Then you have to negotiate the porch or conservatory.

Remember this is the way we have to work as from November this year!! SG4 2010!

As in other threads the step up is not of the right size to work off according to minimum working platfroms & unless it has steps up it you are going against guidelines for repetitive strain injuries.

I created this thread as a discussion tool. We all want to work safe but practicably too. If you can't make money you go out of business.

I see this as the same as wearing goggles or gloves. Not mandatory but advised if the work you are doing requires it, so implement it across the board & its easy to police. That’s crap!!!

Ragscaff
 
Sorry Bob, I made a promise to myself and Paddy Carr not to attempt to upload anything else to this site till I learn how to do it without embarrassing my self.:embarrest:

As for the advanced rail, crap!!!! To take ragscaff's suggestion one step further, if advanced tunnelling is good on three lift's, why not 4 or 5 or more? I think if your going to use a particular system it should take you all the way to the top lift.
 
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ok aom.someone else may upload them.this internet is very slow today.oh just noticed the mouse is dead.runs around wheel for power
 
Bob
folloow link below
Layher UK

in video r/h side click advanced guardrails DVD, might have to wait for download depending on your connection

only fault I see with it is the "telescopic" section if that does not move freely your up sh*t creek
 
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English Bob have a look at this site. It shows a step up. Search to scaffolding then step up device.

How they get away with that I'll never know. No ledger to act as a handrail & a high hemp!!



http://www.prestigescaffolding.co.uk/images/stepup
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Wow, I think they have missed the point. Also did you see their boast of pedestrian friendly scaffolds speciallists, I might have to change my litterature as it looks like any other pavement job I've ever done.

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Bob
folloow link below
Layher UK

in video r/h side click advanced guardrails DVD, might have to wait for download depending on your connection

only fault I see with it is the "telescopic" section if that does not move freely your up sh*t creek
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All very pretty but in the heat of battle will get left on the truck. Is that the longest tail you have ever seen on a harness?
 
Crap, total crap or in my view totally unnecessary !

The tunneling method was introduced as a direct result of the working at height regs 2005 in the form of SG4:05 as I'm sure we are all aware .

NASC took it upon themselves to introduce SG4 as the scaffold industry "ACOP" for WAH 2005 compliance with the HSE asking for a REVIEW every 5 yrs.

As far as I'm aware the the only reservation the HSE have with SG4 in its present form is the unsecured traverse during the tunneling operation. Bearing this in mind wouldn't it be an idea for operatives to replace the standard landyard with a small light weight inertia block during this part of the process thus eradicating the need for unsecured traverse.

Instead of looking for the simple practical solution NASC have completely REVISED SG4 in the form of advanced guardrails, this initiative is being led by NASC on behalf of its trade members (manufactures and training providers) and not the HSE as NASC would have us believe :mad:
 
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The HSE will allow this, you can still advance tunnel. Slide one tube above the handrail & when you get to corners use the personal inertia.

SG4 2010 was to state that tunneling was no longer allowed. I asked & have been told that it will now state the traversing to the open edge is no longer allowed. So yes you can work from your boarded platform in this way.

It is what I have stated in several threads. You don't need step ups or advanced guardrail systems.

I have also asked the HSE to make these points clear.

The SCCR will hopefully produce some of its own guidlines with the help of the HSE that will have clarity & wont cost the earth to get hold of. They will be FREE.


Ragscaff
 
to dear and something else to get broken
 
I wasnt going to get in on this thread as this topic just makes my head hurt..

Last week we were starting on a new site and as part of a pre start visit I bumped in the GalifordTry H&S rep. Now I get on with him fairly well and have a good working relationship, so I thought I would venture into the topic of step ups and guardrails etc. I started off by stating that on the base lift and up we be utilising the step up devices which we have been using for several months now and think they are the more practical method at the moment. Anyway, my point to him was that I personally feel it is more dangerous and impractical to use stepus to install a guardrail on a base lift rather than standing on a fully boarded scaffold, bearing in mind that the base lift is 1.8m from the ground.
He basically then tried to convince me that it was safer to install the guardrail from ladders or tubes across the standards with the step up off the tube.

You all see where this is going...????

Anyway, to answer the OP question...advanced guardrail systems....crap! Way too expensive to be viable and flimsy, wouldnt last more than a couple of jobs before needing to be replaced. Ok on straight runs in small sections, not viable on sites with hundreds of metres of runs.

I felt like banging my head against the wall...who in their right mind can justify this kind of thinking?:suspicious:

Dave.
 
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People who don't do the job!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

You can work off your boarded lift. Fit your first rail from the ladder gap then get up & slide it ahead of you . Simpls yes!!!

Ragscaff
 
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