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ragscaff
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Is it true as of 2012 an advanced scaffolder cannot inspect an advanced structure without an advanced inspection ticket?:suspicious:
Ragscaff
Ragscaff
As far as I know,advanced scaffs will now have to do the base 3 day course before doing adv.inspection course. I believe if you done the 3 day course,there is a period of 6 months before you took on the advanced. Prior to this,you had to be advanced scaff to do advanced course. As others have said. Money making scheme and another grey area in scaffoldng. Again..Ken Cain,as a tutor,will have the answers.
the mack 62
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just another money making exercise, suppose the ticket will only last a couple of years then pay another 26 quid or whatever for a replacement
Damo fraser
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I am advanced scaff I am doing advanced inspection course in Wakefield at the end of the month,as long as you have advanced ticket you can do adv inspection course but this may be changing,I don't no what legislation has changed but now you can't inspect complex scaffolds without an inspectors ticket,it's a load of nonsense if u ask me but what can you do!!
general manager
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This is a complete joke surely experience counts for something
Damo fraser
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I no £390 for the privilege of being told something I have known for years.
general manager
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Damo fraser
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As far as I no adv scaffs can still tag and do weekly inspections,but if it's a drawing job you need the adv inspection ticket.
does'nt " complex scaffolds " mean scaffolds covered by the advanced scaffold card though ?? ie. shores, hangers , temp roofs , etc
I also thin its wrong having non scaffs doing adv inspection card ( I suppose structual engineers would qualify though ) but not site agents, HSE... what you think ?
If you google scaff inspection,there is a section on one of the sites where you can test your knowledge .
It is a 10 or 20 questions test. When done,you get your marks up. Its not the same questions when you try it again. I done it shortly after getting my ticket.
Cant remember how I found this site. Inspection test or Scaff knowledge. You have to play around a bit
You will be surprised at how many you get wrong.
It is a 10 or 20 questions test. When done,you get your marks up. Its not the same questions when you try it again. I done it shortly after getting my ticket.
Cant remember how I found this site. Inspection test or Scaff knowledge. You have to play around a bit
You will be surprised at how many you get wrong.
general manager
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A drawing job covers nearly every aspect of scaffolding these days so as i see it an advanced inspection card is needed just to turn up on site and put your spanners on, heaven forbid you should step on to the site without it
Damo,good course for you to go on,you will pass, and be surprised(maybe)at what you dont know.Good luck mate.
Damo fraser
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A drawing job covers nearly every aspect of scaffolding these days so as i see it an advanced inspection card is needed just to turn up on site and put your spanners on, heaven forbid you should step on to the site without it
I agree as on some sites even the most basic scaffold may have a drawing ,as far as I am concerned it is another chain around our necks,but some donut in an office somewhere thinks advanced level isn't enough,so they give us no option but to pay for another over priced course.
general manager
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100% agree Damo, HSE rules and regulations are killing the job these days, there is a recession on, wages are not rising yet some clown tries his upmost to make a hard job fxxking harder and costlier
jakdan
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this is the script at the moment boys,
Who is competent to inspect a scaffold?
Legislation specifies that anyone carrying out an inspection must be competent to do so. To be competent that person must have the necessary training, knowledge and experience.
As a minimum the NASC would recommend:
a) A CISRS Scaffolder cardholder would be deemed competent to inspect the scaffold structures that are covered in the CISRS Part 1 & Part 2 courses provided their employer can demonstrate they have the necessary knowledge and experience.
b) A CISRS Advanced Scaffolder cardholder would be deemed competent to inspect the scaffold structures that are covered in the CISRS Part 1, Part 2 & Advanced courses provided their employer can demonstrate they have the necessary knowledge and experience.
The contents and overall objectives of the CISRS courses can be found in the CAP 609 General Information Booklet Appendix A-C page 26-30. CISRS - the industry recognised scaffold training scheme
c) A CISRS Scaffolding Supervisor cardholder would be deemed competent to inspect the basic scaffold structures that are covered in the CISRS Part 1 and Part 2 courses provided their employer can demonstrate they have the necessary knowledge and experience. If they also hold an Advanced Scaffolders card, then they would be deemed competent to inspect advanced structures.
The content and overall objectives of the CISRS Scaffolding Supervisor course can be found in the CAP 609 General Information Booklet pages 16-17. CISRS - the industry recognised scaffold training scheme
d) A person who has been on a Basic Scaffold Inspection Course * (min. two days) would be deemed competent to inspect a basic scaffold structure provided their employer can demonstrate they have the necessary knowledge and experience and they have passed the knowledge test at the end of the course.
This course is suitable for: Management/Supervision who are responsible for inspecting scaffolds and completing reports in accordance with the Work at Height Regulations 2005.
Note: If candidates who have attended the Basic Course want to inspect more complex scaffolds, then they will need to complete the Advanced Course after they have gained sufficient experience inspecting Basic Scaffolds on a regular basis.
e) A person who has been on an Advanced Scaffold Inspection Course * (min. two days) would be deemed competent to inspect more complex scaffold structures provided their employer can demonstrate they have the necessary knowledge and experience and they have passed the knowledge test at the end of the course.
This course is suitable for: Experienced Scaffold Inspectors, Management/Supervision who are responsible for inspecting, commissioning and handing over scaffolds, and completing reports in accordance with the Work at Height Regulations 2005.
f) Persons who are required to carry out inspections of System Scaffolds must, in addition to the basic scaffold inspection course, attend an approved product training course for the specific system scaffold required and have their card endorsed with the product selected.
* Several CISRS approved training centres already offer Basic and Advanced Inspection training (both 2 days duration)
Note: • Any competent person who is not carrying out scaffold inspections on a regular basis would need to consider additional refresher training.
To download a copy of this statement please click here
again i dont think its law, just recomendations (grey area) but if the sh1t hits the fan, you need a piece of plastic
Who is competent to inspect a scaffold?
Legislation specifies that anyone carrying out an inspection must be competent to do so. To be competent that person must have the necessary training, knowledge and experience.
As a minimum the NASC would recommend:
a) A CISRS Scaffolder cardholder would be deemed competent to inspect the scaffold structures that are covered in the CISRS Part 1 & Part 2 courses provided their employer can demonstrate they have the necessary knowledge and experience.
b) A CISRS Advanced Scaffolder cardholder would be deemed competent to inspect the scaffold structures that are covered in the CISRS Part 1, Part 2 & Advanced courses provided their employer can demonstrate they have the necessary knowledge and experience.
The contents and overall objectives of the CISRS courses can be found in the CAP 609 General Information Booklet Appendix A-C page 26-30. CISRS - the industry recognised scaffold training scheme
c) A CISRS Scaffolding Supervisor cardholder would be deemed competent to inspect the basic scaffold structures that are covered in the CISRS Part 1 and Part 2 courses provided their employer can demonstrate they have the necessary knowledge and experience. If they also hold an Advanced Scaffolders card, then they would be deemed competent to inspect advanced structures.
The content and overall objectives of the CISRS Scaffolding Supervisor course can be found in the CAP 609 General Information Booklet pages 16-17. CISRS - the industry recognised scaffold training scheme
d) A person who has been on a Basic Scaffold Inspection Course * (min. two days) would be deemed competent to inspect a basic scaffold structure provided their employer can demonstrate they have the necessary knowledge and experience and they have passed the knowledge test at the end of the course.
This course is suitable for: Management/Supervision who are responsible for inspecting scaffolds and completing reports in accordance with the Work at Height Regulations 2005.
Note: If candidates who have attended the Basic Course want to inspect more complex scaffolds, then they will need to complete the Advanced Course after they have gained sufficient experience inspecting Basic Scaffolds on a regular basis.
e) A person who has been on an Advanced Scaffold Inspection Course * (min. two days) would be deemed competent to inspect more complex scaffold structures provided their employer can demonstrate they have the necessary knowledge and experience and they have passed the knowledge test at the end of the course.
This course is suitable for: Experienced Scaffold Inspectors, Management/Supervision who are responsible for inspecting, commissioning and handing over scaffolds, and completing reports in accordance with the Work at Height Regulations 2005.
f) Persons who are required to carry out inspections of System Scaffolds must, in addition to the basic scaffold inspection course, attend an approved product training course for the specific system scaffold required and have their card endorsed with the product selected.
* Several CISRS approved training centres already offer Basic and Advanced Inspection training (both 2 days duration)
Note: • Any competent person who is not carrying out scaffold inspections on a regular basis would need to consider additional refresher training.
To download a copy of this statement please click here
again i dont think its law, just recomendations (grey area) but if the sh1t hits the fan, you need a piece of plastic
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daz
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more 5hite to deal with...so as an advanced scaff i can put the job up to the details of the drawings,but...in a short time wont be deemed competent to inspect it...even tho i put it up????...kerching!!