£2000 carrot for firms to take on apprentices

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£2000 carrot for firms to take on apprentices

Published on Saturday 21 January 2012 14:00


Businesses in East Lothian can now get up to £2,000 when they take on any young apprentice.


J&I Scaffolding Ltd, Looks Hairdressing and Tranent’s Wee Scones Nursery have already got involved with the Employer Recruitment Incentive which is delivered by Skills Development Scotland and supported by the Scottish Government.

Eligibility for ERI has been broadened, providing businesses with a cash injection when they employ any 16 to 19 year old as an apprentice or offer apprenticeship to anyone aged 20 or over who has been out of work for a short period.

Damien Yeates, Chief Executive of Skills Development Scotland, said: “As well as the recruitment incentive, the cost of an apprentice’s training is subsidised, making it a really smart way to grow a skilled workforce.”

Angela Constance, Minister for Youth Employment, added: “I want to see as many of our young people as possible develop the skills, knowledge and confidence they need to be a success in our job market and contribute towards our economy.”

Employers can find out more by calling SDS’s helpline on 0800 783 6000 or visiting Employer Recruitment Incentive - Skills Development Scotland.

Full report in this week’s News
 
Its not the carrot... its the kids nowadays dony wanna graft for their money.
Much easier to sit about smoking weed and playing computer games all day - getting their dole payments.
 
Jason-Gibbs said:
Its not the carrot... its the kids nowadays dony wanna graft for their money.
Much easier to sit about smoking weed and playing computer games all day - getting their dole payments.
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Agree 100% Jay, neighbours 17 year old son has had 3 jobs since he left school and has not done a fortnight at any one of them. All the lazy little
ba5tard wants to do is sit at home watching the telly or play video games, this lad is so fuck1ng bone idle he doesnt even sign on
 
Maybe what they should do is
Pay them via one video game, half ounce and a packet of king size rizla a week !!!! lol
Bet loads would go for that :)
 
shame on his partents of keeping him he sould be signing on to get his stamped paid at the very least no stamp no pention.... this 2,000 it dont go far when you think about it over 4 years say avrage time to quallify in a trade so
52 x 4 = 208.

2,000/208 = 9.6 (£9.60)
9.6/8 = 1.20
thats £1.2 an hour to take on a trainee /apprentice

i found if an employer is willing to take on some one and train them for 4 years they will do it weather or not there given £2,000 the 1's that will take an apprentice for the £2,000 wont be paying the trainee/apprentice at all (cash in hand maby) thell use them as a skivey and show them nothing they then wont be able to go on to there nvq and end up in the same position 4 years later with nothing to show for working 4 year for nothing been there done that its false economy

we do need more modern apprentiships around
earn as you train
as apose to going to uni raking up £10,000's of debt just to keep the unemployment figures down in the under 25's
but having said that this carrot isnt the way to do it
 
Really well put scaff1989, I can do nothing but wholeheartedly agree.

I did notice this in the papers through the week and to be honest it is nothing new, it has come up from time to time for a few years now. From a very small employers point of view, the paper work involved in claiming it and the exact criteria that any young lad has to fit in my experience is just not worth the hassle. I do get grants for the young boy's I do train but has nothing to do with why I train them in fact it just serves to annoy me when I receive a quarterly payment for a few hundred pounds and I try and work out exactly what that is meant to pay for as it doesn't even cover the wages when they are at college.

I suppose we should be grateful and we will have something to moan about should they ever remove all the funding to train the young team but to my mind it falls well short of making up the difference between giving them a full apprenticeship or just sending them for their part 1 and part 2.

One final point, there are still plenty of young hard working individuals on the go, you just have to get them off the tit as early as you can and show them.
 
Do you send lads to Bircham (cecol) Aom ?
There were a few lads from smaller firms there when I was there but not many.
Think even at the time I went I'm sure I heard it cost something like £15,000 for that 1 year. Dont know how accurate that figure is though
 
Sorry Zotsey, never been and never sent any boys, I wasn't even aware it was still an option if I'm honest.

The apprenticeship scheme we use is they go to the centre for a 2 week induction I think it is but may be 3, a sort of this is a tube sort of thing and they build a rack but mostly handling techniques and first aid and the like. After 6 months they go back to do their normal part 1 but get 3 weeks to do it then another 3 weeks for assessment and part 2 before going back for their final assessment which takes another 2 weeks. I'm not really seeing any benefits to it to be honest but I wouldn't want to take any short cuts with their training.

Did you think going to bircham was an advantage?
 
AOM do you find that your getting lads working hard for you and then investing in them as there working hard for the company and you invest in them for there hard work and that this grant you would be elugable is there so you get it.

our gaff h8s putting lads thew there tickets dont like any one bettering them self,every single 1 of us kicks our back end in not one of us is a slacker
thow when he does put the lads threw there tickets he get the funding maby not all of it and has then taken money out of the lads wages for it as well so not really investing in them just his own pokets

which route do you use doign your part 1 and 2 or the citb way i have know the boss tell lads he has got on citb course your not going this week and this week its to busy in the end they get kicked off the citb course
 
To be honest Aom I don't know having not done the 2 week courses

All I can say is we got 40 weeks to cover part 1,2 and advanced so we got alot more training than the 6 weeks total the adult courses give you, so absolutely everything was drilled into us over and over and every job was done multiple times with each fitting. So for example we erected 3 raking shores as oposed to 1 etc
 
Scaff1989, I truly hate hearing stories like this and can't understand the philosophy behind it for the life of me. It's maybe because we are a bit country and if the boy's thought they couldn't progress through the ranks they would be off much like I did myself 20 years ago.

Firstly, taking training money from your pockets is illegal no if's or buts, simple. There was a young lad on a course we were on during a weekend who called his gaffer as he was too ill to go in on Sunday and he was told to either go in or pay the full cost of the course and loose his pay. He came in and to be honest I am the most suspicious guy out there and hate losing out on things like this to drink and feeling bad but this guy was really ill.

The cash that's available doesn't really interest me, again I think I could have applied for one free place when training the boy's on the product course but just couldn't be bothered with another round of form filling. What I do get is a highly trained and theoretically anyway highly skilled workforce who know as much as I do which means they are building better and better which means I can go and play more golf, eventually.:cool:

In my youth I would have been tempted to tell your gaffer to ram it which I did but was then left to pay for all my own training, which does have it's advantages but it may be easier to have a word and explain how you feel. Being busy is a poor excuse, we are always busy but the world will not stop turning if you loose a body for a few weeks a year and if it does you should think about taking on more bodies.

Sometimes I think the boys who work with me will be reading this and say, aye right:suspicious:, but for all my faults and tantrums they all get trained to within an inch of their life.

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Zotsey said:
To be honest Aom I don't know having not done the 2 week courses

All I can say is we got 40 weeks to cover part 1,2 and advanced so we got alot more training than the 6 weeks total the adult courses give you, so absolutely everything was drilled into us over and over and every job was done multiple times with each fitting. So for example we erected 3 raking shores as oposed to 1 etc
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I have said before I wouldn't mind getting in to this instructing thing when I finally find a dafty stupid enough to take over the reigns, but they tell me I would need to change my attitude big time because I would have them out again and again building all structures multiple times with all the spare time they have rather than sit in the classroom bumming about how the north sea was won. Maybe I should try and get a job at bircham.:idea:
 
To be fair Aom, that was my experience. Very little time was spent in the classroom and we got the multiple job routine. :)

Instructor at Bircham would be a great job to be fair. Although there was one youngish one called Collin and he didn't get on with it, jacked and went off to work in Saudi
 
Well I might be wrong but for me that's where the scaffs should be, if we were good in the classroom the chances are we wouldn't be scaffs. The current instructors probably have a strict curriculum to follow but there surely can be no restrictions how many times you make them do it as long as all the course content is covered.
 
aom said:
Scaff1989, I truly hate hearing stories like this and can't understand the philosophy behind it for the life of me. It's maybe because we are a bit country and if the boy's thought they couldn't progress through the ranks they would be off much like I did myself 20 years ago.

Firstly, taking training money from your pockets is illegal no if's or buts, simple. There was a young lad on a course we were on during a weekend who called his gaffer as he was too ill to go in on Sunday and he was told to either go in or pay the full cost of the course and loose his pay. He came in and to be honest I am the most suspicious guy out there and hate losing out on things like this to drink and feeling bad but this guy was really ill.

The cash that's available doesn't really interest me, again I think I could have applied for one free place when training the boy's on the product course but just couldn't be bothered with another round of form filling. What I do get is a highly trained and theoretically anyway highly skilled workforce who know as much as I do which means they are building better and better which means I can go and play more golf, eventually.:cool:

In my youth I would have been tempted to tell your gaffer to ram it which I did but was then left to pay for all my own training, which does have it's advantages but it may be easier to have a word and explain how you feel. Being busy is a poor excuse, we are always busy but the world will not stop turning if you loose a body for a few weeks a year and if it does you should think about taking on more bodies.

Sometimes I think the boys who work with me will be reading this and say, aye right:suspicious:, but for all my faults and tantrums they all get trained to within an inch of their life.

lol may be illegal but it happens and its not worth your job sayign to them about it i quote 1 of there saying
'' theres many a daft **** that will take you job why should i be botherd, get 10 call aday for a job '' they get away with murder coz the works there for them but the jobs aint moneygrabbing ***** so we have to put up with it .
it pays the bills
payed for my own part1 will be payign for my own part 2 wouldent have any body paying for it av got what av got on my own its not a lot but its all my own and nobody can say diffrent.

dont suppose you need a part 1 do ya lol your spot sound ideal lol
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Fair play, much how I did it myself, I just felt these day's were behind us. Don't get me wrong, I can be an erse as the boys would tell you, I want it fast, efficient and safe, if I need you to work on you work on and if you take the piss you are not long in getting pulled into line but FFS the least I can do for all that is get you the best training I can afford.

Sorry, no positions available at the moment but even if I only get half the work I have priced over the last couple of weeks we are going to be busy for months to come so you never know, and for the record we have taken other part 1's on in the past.
 
its surprising how little the instructors at bircham and the NCC in scotland get paid , you'd be surprised , if u got plenty in the bank u could do this job but if not , then definetly not
 
sadly they havent pass just few and far between TRAINING,TG20 SAFTEY???? what are they lol only found out about tg20 on here last week cheers just keep me in mind marra :)
 
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the 1 thing that should be changed is the portfoilio's , it should not be possible for a young guy to come away from part 1 , ******** a portfolio , then go back for part 2 , this way of training in scotland is especially wrong because all these young guys are doing is throwing up kwikstage/cuplok/plus eight , i'd bet that when half of these young guys go to the part 2 , theyve probably never ever built a roof saddle.
 
Not all JB, we might be in the minority but we still use plenty tube and roof saddles are our bread and butter. Maybe I did go a bit wrong by just going out for the t&f jobs which meant the young guns maybe didn't get quite the experience I thought they were getting but after a few adjustments they are more than capable, in fact you ought to have seen the amount of steel they put in on the one you could see from my house, I'm amazed the roof could hold the weight.:eek:

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jb78 said:
its surprising how little the instructors at bircham and the NCC in scotland get paid , you'd be surprised , if u got plenty in the bank u could do this job but if not , then definetly not
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Again this might sound erse like but the wages wouldn't be the main motivator. I would obviously want paying but even more I would want to churn out good scaffs and the gaffers would be scrabbling to enroll them with me and the young guns would be doing all in their power to get moved somewhere else.:cool:

What do you reckon the average wage is at NCC Jb?
 
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