Old School

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Old School Scaffolders

Are men of a certain age, with skills and knowledge obtained throughout their life. These skills and knowledge are not limited to the scaffolding game but also include the hard lessons learned at the University of Life and the experience that only comes when you have gone through the mill a few times

My own experience in scaffolding, started at 18 years for Mills scaffolding think I did about 3 month in the yard before going out with a gang. The gangs comprised a chargehand, spanner man, and labourer normally. All the gangs were on price work but your presence was not deducted from the price, you were in effect an extra man at no cost to the gang. You were rotated around several gangs over the next three month or so. If you were a good grafter and did as instructed by the chargehand the gangs were all after you to be sent with them.

That’s when the real training started if it was heavy on the labouring you were on the deck feeding gear to the scaffs or pulling on a rope and wheel all day or loading unloading wagons It was the norm that on dismantles once the job was down the scaffs were off. It was up to the labourer to clear up. This encouraged him to keep up with the clearing of gear and not toss it off. Other times the chargehand would have you up top and explain what he was doing, have you spreading gear and if you were really lucky you might get to wrap the bottoms of dog-legs (did not know what a ledger brace was until 1995 ha ha ) or a few transoms.

From there on in you built your reputation as a scaffolder and believed in the old saying “your as good as your last job.” And did not ask anybody to do something you could not do yourself

To me Old School is about the in depth training we received from the scaffs of the day, the ability to look at an access problem and solve it without the dubious help of Designers, risk assessment, method statements, PPE, and all the knobs that have never been on a scaffold telling us how to do The a job

When the chargehand was in charge of the scaffolding erected and was responsible for his gang and there actions

When you were employed directly by a scaffolding or main contractor,

When employment agencies were for white collar jobs.

When jobs were advertised you expected to have at least 6 month work not the 2/3 weeks work that is regularly advertised today. Or with a scaffold company years of work

When there were not thousands of scaffold companies cutting each others throats and driving prices down and the risk of injury up.

When rope work, cradles, and system scaffolds were all part of our job description

I could go on forever; there have been that many changes over the past 40 years, but you will have to buy my book for more, when I finally write it.

To try and sum up, Old School to me is how we were taught the job, how we passed this on to others, how we were competent to tackle the job at hand, how we stuck together and backed each other up, how we treated others when we climbed the ladder through chargehand, foreman, supervisor, contacts manager, and owners in some cases.

I believe that there are scaffolders still being trained with the values and ethics of the Old School and I wish them well in their careers. The job is just as hard and demanding both physically and mentally today, as it was the first day I started. If not more so with all the “experts” in scaffolding that have never swung a spanner offering their advice at premium rates.
 
You want to get round to writing that book Rigger:idea: I for one would buy it, could be a best seller:cool:
 
and the money and price work and bonuses were beter.not ave to do what you do now 7 days a week and work late to get a decent wage like you say rigger you worked your way up not like now your a scaffolder before you start to shave.
 
Hi Rigger

You seem to be of the same era of myself although as for spare man in gang and not part the price or hours your team was very lucky.But the question i would like to ask you, why do you call yourself rigger as most scaffs hate riggers, as they are lazy dogs.who wont even climb a ladder to fit a beam clamp on and no prize for guessing who puts the clamp on because we wear harrnesses.

nedophan:wondering:
 
I think to a degree Old School is dead.

You are not allowed to shout at the labourer, if you do he can't hear because his on his phone. If you clip him round the ear!!!!!!!!!!!

You can get dragged into court. We used to be like the army, beast away & the good one will stay. Now its like the lottery, you can not find a winning ticket!

Money side I could earn more scaffolding 15 years ago. this is progress!!

:sad2:

Ragscaff
 
Unfortunately the 'old school" scaffold artisans skills and and experience are not valued by the suits running our industry in the modern day. All they are interested in is fast tracking as many candidates through the various training courses for financial gain and to be honest they are short changing the companies and failing the new blood with the quality of training on offer.

Hopefully change is on the horizon with a more structured training program which values the old school approach, utilising the skills of the experienced leading hands, with more emphases being placed on work based training away from the training centers.
 
If not the Industry will grind to a halt, or the accident rate will increase year after year!!:cry:
 
[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DRCkMf2Bmb0&feature=related]YouTube - cruel but funny[/ame]
 
Rigger, could'nt describe it better myself. Remember myself as a 17 year old, work was hard, but if listened and learned and showed an interest you were taken under the wing. It's now a long time since then, but have many good memories of lads i worked with along the way. Maybe I should'nt admit this, (give my age away) When i started out, there was a lorry driver, (ex scaf) who worked on wooden pole scaffolding, (thats where the term came from) he used to say to us working on tube an fitting that we were'nt scaffolders that it was too easy, bit like us saying same about system. Go on, write that book, I'll place a pre order for a first edition signed copy.
 
mines loads of money and none of this ******** we have now.now its champagne taste
with brown ale money lol.
 
thats awesome

i feel that with all the firms i have worked for im the last of the old school scaffolders

when i started i was given a rope or a bucket, these where my tools that i used for many months

was only once i had shown how keen i was that i was allowed a spanner
as you say

i have worked with a couple of scaffolders that have been doing the job for years now and STILL cant work a rope (also a couple that are scared of heights)

bit of price work normally shows the ones that know
 
thats awesome

i feel that with all the firms i have worked for im the last of the old school scaffolders

when i started i was given a rope or a bucket, these where my tools that i used for many months

was only once i had shown how keen i was that i was allowed a spanner
as you say

i have worked with a couple of scaffolders that have been doing the job for years now and STILL cant work a rope (also a couple that are scared of heights)

bit of price work normally shows the ones that know
Used to work with a chargehand who was scared of heights, ran the job from the ground. We called him Elvis, cause anytime he got up on the scaffold his legs wobbled.
 
thats really odd i have met a few scaffs over the years who are scared oh heights , why the f*** would you want to be a scaffolder if your scared of heights, i have always thought the buzz i get from a hanger or canterlever or a really high job is part of the reason i do it
 
that cracks me up!!!!!

how can you be a chargehand if your scared of heights?????

i have a supervisor that phones me and asks how to do a job!

how does that work? his the one that prices the jobs i put up (explains alot)

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exactly. i was at canary wharf when the hsbc was going up and had to put an access platform from top floor to the crane mast. so that the crane driver could ride the hoist to top and climb onlyt a few ladders

would of loved to get some of these 'new age scaffs' up there
 
not scared of heights,but am wary up them.the adrenalin rush is sumit else.:bigsmile:
 
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