rumple
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The government is reviewing health and safety law. What could the government do to help scaffolding or scaffolders?
Health and Safety law review
- Thread starter rumple
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When you see on the BBC Homepage that Lord Young says that you can be a Health and Safety Consultant with no qualifications makes H & S a joke, what happened to using common sense,I know what risks are involved in scaffolding i still want to do it, my choice, no ones holding a gun to my head to do it, if i still want to do scaffolding i have to go on training courses now after doing it for nearly 15 years, because HSE want me to have the CISRS ticket, but HSE let there be consultants out there,dictating to firms on Health and Safety with no qualifications what two faced c**ts. DO AS I SAY NOT AS I DO
paddy carr
Moderator
The HSE are experts at that. They will tell you what you cant do, however, they will not endorse what you can do. Then they introduce Guidelines,ACOPs which leads you in the right direction, without any 'Onus' on the HSE, for you to claim against. A bit like the favourite word of H&S Documentation ' Where reasonably Practicable'.
If i knew how to share it i would put it on here, but it looks as thou that Lord Young is looking more at things like councils not granting people holding events cause of injuries caused in previous years, like the rolling the cheese down the big hill in Gloucester where 18 people were injured one year, well if you want to do it your doing it on your own free will, so you shouldnt be able to sue the organisers if you break your leg or arm, there stopping kids going on school trips just in case a kid has an accident and the parent sues the school well that could happen to me taking my boy to the zoo and he falls and breaks his leg its just one of those things it happens, all you can ask in a childs position that he or she is with a responsible adult and is as safe as can be, you cant wrap them in cotton wool all there life.
Health and Safety (experts) i use this term loosely have missed construed the term where practical and have blown everything out of proportion to cover there ars*s in world where we seem to have gone down the Yanks road and sue everyone and anyone.:sad:
Health and Safety (experts) i use this term loosely have missed construed the term where practical and have blown everything out of proportion to cover there ars*s in world where we seem to have gone down the Yanks road and sue everyone and anyone.:sad:
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steve gregory
Guest
so why is it reasonably Practicable that the hse only promote cisrs and not ecitb who have nvq's.
paddy carr
Moderator
T Animal
Is this what you mean mate?
Health and safety review to curb the 'nanny state' | Society | guardian.co.uk
Steve my learned friend, 'Reasonably Practicable' Cost versus risk, are the HSE and CISRS not sharing the same chewing Gum on the bedpost mate? they would rather lie in a bed that they know, than be sleep around 'Scallys'
Is this what you mean mate?
Health and safety review to curb the 'nanny state' | Society | guardian.co.uk
Steve my learned friend, 'Reasonably Practicable' Cost versus risk, are the HSE and CISRS not sharing the same chewing Gum on the bedpost mate? they would rather lie in a bed that they know, than be sleep around 'Scallys'
Cheers Paddy, i scaffold better that i use a laptop (honest i do ) took me 3 months to put a picture on here, waiting for my boy to show me how to download my pictures off my phone, i can store documents but struggle to retrieve them, hes only 13 but when his nxt comes to see me i will get him to give me a crash course
scaffman1
Well-known member
Reasonably Practicable means if you do your best and something unfortunately goes wrong the barstewards can prosecute you.
Why then do they not put down on black and white how to do the job?
After all, when something does go wrong, they're there and they can tell you what you should have done...!!
Why then do they not put down on black and white how to do the job?
After all, when something does go wrong, they're there and they can tell you what you should have done...!!
daz
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Why is it that we are told by what should be classed as general h&s men what to not do, regarding the erecting and stripping of scaffold.Its obvious by the ammount of 5hite going on currently with regards to the possession of the so called correct tickets that we are completely dictated to.as we are the easiest target to an untrained,incompetent safety bloke who has no proper knowledge of our job.All trades are specialists in their field,but surely its time only people with a scaffolding background should be considered for these safety roles,its only our trade that the goalposts are constantly being moved,which doesnt help with any continuity,as things are changing all the time.Most of these new ideas the powers that be come up with regarding our working practices,are made by people who dont come from a scaffolding background,surely they must have spaces for ex scaffs who want to move into a H&S role,when will common sense prevail....
scaffman1
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Don't be daft daz were talking about the HSE. they have no common sense m8.
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ragscaff
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Only if you have drunk too much to ride it!!!!!!