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[dangeruss]

Check this out,there is a whole website in Bath dedicated to scaffold ties in listed building, these people obviously don't know zip about tie sequences or the HSE enforcement officers who enforce poor scaffolding practice . Must be great to have nothing better to do all day than whinge.








http://www.bathheritagewatchdog.org/scaffold.htm#totop

 

[Consilio]

Its wonderful how you spend your time, isn't it.
Bravo.

 

[OldFart]

Well, what a load of bollox to blame the scaffolding firms for these holes left in the walls. In my experience it was always up to the contractor to repair any holes once the ties were removed.... And normally it was under their instruction that we drilled into those walls. If not allowed we had to find other ways of tying to the building.

 

[southernpoofter]

OMG some people have more time then common sense...from a scaffolders point of view the ties look spot on although if you wanted to be pedantic where not adequately spaced for correct tie pattern or tagged as pull tested as per the current regs...tbh wot do these numptys want - they want the building scaffolded to keep it in a good state of repair but have no understanding of the requirments by law to provide the safe access.
i reckon theyd all be crying into their musli & yoghurt if the scaffold collapsed in adverse weather conditions due to the lack of ties & damaged the prescious fasades lol .

 

[marra watson]

itsnt that why robet joined the forum sumet to do with tieing in ot listed buildings

 

[Alan Reade]

This site refers to "scaffolding offences" intimating that the Scaffolder has committed an offence, he has not.
It would however be an offence to leave the scaffold untied and in an unsafe condition.

I should also point out that the decision on which ties to use on a listed building lies with the client who has a responsibility to both the listed building regulations, and the Scaffolder.

Whilst the Scaffolder may offer suggestion and preference as to tie type and location he need not necessarily know of the status of a buildings listing or it's structural capacity, as such the onus lies with the client who is required to know both the structural suitability and the listing status prior to commencing work.
It is then the clients responsibility to ensure that suitable alternatives for tying are made available to the Scaffolder such as open windows which are in general not acceptable to occupants for whatever reasons. I guess you could always buttress into the street and block traffic?

Having spent the last few minutes looking at the Bath site It is worthy of mention that the two scaffolds marked as no drilling are both unsheeted, That said I see no signs of ties in either (not to say there aren't any)

I was going to write to the Bath Heritage site (contact@bathheritagewatchdog.org ) and offer opinion but from the lack of knowledge displayed on their page I shan't bother.

regards
Alan

 

[dangeruss]

This site refers to "scaffolding offences" intimating that the Scaffolder has committed an offence, he has not.
It would however be an offence to leave the scaffold untied and in an unsafe condition.

I should also point out that the decision on which ties to use on a listed building lies with the client who has a responsibility to both the listed building regulations, and the Scaffolder.

Whilst the Scaffolder may offer suggestion and preference as to tie type and location he need not necessarily know of the status of a buildings listing or it's structural capacity, as such the onus lies with the client who is required to know both the structural suitability and the listing status prior to commencing work.
It is then the clients responsibility to ensure that suitable alternatives for tying are made available to the Scaffolder such as open windows which are in general not acceptable to occupants for whatever reasons. I guess you could always buttress into the street and block traffic?

Having spent the last few minutes looking at the Bath site It is worthy of mention that the two scaffolds marked as no drilling are both unsheeted, That said I see no signs of ties in either (not to say there aren't any)

I was going to write to the Bath Heritage site (contact@bathheritagewatchdog.org ) and offer opinion but from the lack of knowledge displayed on their page I shan't bother.

regards
Alan

Just had a big rant with the Listed buildings officer where I am. He said he didn't want any drilled ties in the listed building we are working on "it does irreversible damage to a historic building"
I pointed out that the same council he worked for had insisted , when we applied for the pavement licence that we would work to TG20:13. I'm going to ask him to put it in writing so I can show it to the HSE. Bet he doesn't. Must be great to be totally impractical and get paid for it.

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OMG some people have more time then common sense...from a scaffolders point of view the ties look spot on although if you wanted to be pedantic where not adequately spaced for correct tie pattern or tagged as pull tested as per the current regs...tbh wot do these numptys want - they want the building scaffolded to keep it in a good state of repair but have no understanding of the requirments by law to provide the safe access.
i reckon theyd all be crying into their musli & yoghurt if the scaffold collapsed in adverse weather conditions due to the lack of ties & damaged the prescious fasades lol .

I wouldn't use m16 anchors in limestone, would be better with thunderbolts and band and plate.

 

[guymac]

What are we ment to do ?

These people have too much time on their hands . Bath has one of the heighest house prices in the country I suggest through ties leaving the windows open to allow a fixing . Watch out for the odd drug addict doing a bit af robbing . May stop their moaning then !