Testing drilled anchors

Kyte

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Lads
After 30 years in the game I've now been told that when you drill ties into any wall or concrete, instead of drilling a test anchor and testing that. You have to do a pull test on the live tie your going to use. Surely this can weaken the live tie. Can anyone throw any light on this as to what legislation is out there and what is right or wrong.
Regards Kyte
 
Yes that's the percentage pal, but do you test the live tie or do you drill test ties and pull test those ?
 
You test the live tie as well kyle. If that 1 fails then test another 1, and so on and so forth. Prime example we scaffolded hsbc head office in c'ham. There was already hilti ties installed from a previous job, we pulled tested 3 and they all failed so we had to re-drill the whole job again.. it looked like a block of swiss cheese by the time we had finished.
 
TG4 says you should first do a Preliminary test to check the base material is suitable on 5 fixings NOT within the tying area and tested to 2 x working load

and then if OK carry out Proof tests on 5% of the actual ties used (minimum 3) to 1.25 x working load
 
Thanks lads, you have been most helpful
Regards Kyte.
 
According to the tg4:11Theres 2 tests to do
1 -proof test the substructure to check its ok normally 3 tests away from your actual ties
2- tie test as said b4 with 5%of total ties or min of 3 as per required loading.

Dont forget to tag the tested inserts as well as give the client a pull test report & make sure the machine is callibrated & in date & the test is to be performed by a competant person.
Hydrajaws only charge £50 for a compentancy course & cert...well worth doin if u wanna keep things right & above board
 
Lads
After 30 years in the game I've now been told that when you drill ties into any wall or concrete, instead of drilling a test anchor and testing that. You have to do a pull test on the live tie your going to use. Surely this can weaken the live tie. Can anyone throw any light on this as to what legislation is out there and what is right or wrong.
Regards Kyte

Hi Kyte
30 years in you should have come across this before, it's nothing new.
You need to get hold of a copy of TG4:11 this will tell you almost all of what you need to know about ties and testing.
If you have a problem PM me.

Regards
Alan
 
I have come across it before Alan, many times but as I said I've always done test ties within 300mm of the live ties and tagged them. Now I'm told I have to disregard test ties and only test the live ties. My thoughts were that you could have weakened the live tie. Last week a tie was tested to 6.1kn with a pass and retested again 10 mins later and it failed at 1.0kn. This is the reason I brought it up on this forum.
Regards Kyte.
 
Nylon ties have to be tested to 3x required load, meaning you have to pull 10.5 on a light duty scaffold!
Over the top in my opinion.

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Nylon ties have to be tested to 3x required load, meaning you have to pull 10.5 on a light duty scaffold!
Over the top in my opinion.

---------- Post added at 07:38 PM ---------- Previous post was at 07:37 PM ----------

Nylon ties have to be tested to 3x required load, meaning you have to pull 10.5 on a light duty scaffold!
Over the top in my opinion.
 
I have come across it before Alan, many times but as I said I've always done test ties within 300mm of the live ties and tagged them. Now I'm told I have to disregard test ties and only test the live ties. My thoughts were that you could have weakened the live tie. Last week a tie was tested to 6.1kn with a pass and retested again 10 mins later and it failed at 1.0kn. This is the reason I brought it up on this forum.
Regards Kyte.

You are right to air your concerns, that said, it has always been required to test live ties. The "Preliminary Test" is to determine the suitability of the proposed anchor in the materials into which it is fixed. Once this has been ratified you then proceed to testing the anchors to be used "Live Anchors"

I would refer you to TG4:11, if you have not ssen it PM me I will point you in the right direction.
Please see extract below


6.2 Proof tests
These are needed to check that anchors to be used in the job have been installed correctly.
They should be carried out on all projects.
This guidance applies to all new jobs and to structures with previously installed anchors.
A sample of anchors to be used shall be tested to a load of 1.25 times the working load; in the case of ties with a working tensile load of 6.1 kN this means a test load of 7.6kN and where a tie load of 12.2 kN is required the proof load is 15.3kN. The pass criterion is that no significant movement of the anchor is apparent; a visual check only is sufficient.
A minimum of 3 anchors shall be tested and at least 5% (1 in 20) chosen at random and spread evenly
throughout the whole job.
The minimum number (3) applies to every discreet area where:
(a) different fixings may have been used,
(b) the base material is different
(c) the condition of the base material has been affected by different weather conditions on a different elevation or
(d) a different team of installers have worked.
All Factors quoted here, including those used to determine the test loads, are specific to short term or temporary uses including scaffolding and should not be used for other long term applications for which higher factors are needed, see [12].
Factors used for nylon anchors are different because of “Creep”[10)
NASC
All anchors that have been proof loaded should be clearly identified with a tag showing the date of test and the test load, any anchors failing the test should be tagged as such.
The failure of an anchor in proof testing is a serious issue and requires the investigation of the cause(s) of failure and an increase in testing rate as follows:
One failure – double the test rate to 1 in 10 and at least 6.
Two failures – double again to 1 in 5 and at least 12
More than 2 failures – test 100% of the job, review the fixing specification and installation method.
 
Nylon ties have to be tested to 3x required load, meaning you have to pull 10.5 on a light duty scaffold!
Over the top in my opinion.

---------- Post added at 07:37 PM ---------- Previous post was at 07:37 PM ----------

Nylon ties have to be tested to 3x required load, meaning you have to pull 10.5 on a light duty scaffold!
Over the top in my opinion.

---------- Post added at 07:38 PM ---------- Previous post was at 07:37 PM ----------

Nylon ties have to be tested to 3x required load, meaning you have to pull 10.5 on a light duty scaffold!
Over the top in my opinion.

Over the top in my opinion too Baxter especially as they won't take the load, no tie will. They tell me there has been some discussion about it but I have yet to hear any outcome if any.
 
You are missing the point the Preliminary test is to see what tie will hold before you build the job. The actual testing is then done to confirm they are installed correctly, Nylon anchors suffer from what is known as Creep and it most cases you don't blow the dust out
 
Preliminary tests are not always practical, 5 test ties at the bottom of a 20 x 20?
A lot of occasions the material at the bottom if the building differs from the top ie, brick to stone or shop windows ect what is the point were missing?
 
Preliminary tests are not always practical, 5 test ties at the bottom of a 20 x 20?
A lot of occasions the material at the bottom if the building differs from the top ie, brick to stone or shop windows ect what is the point were missing?


Morning Baxter
I think the answer is all in the first line of 6.1 Preliminary Tests, "These are carried out wherever there is any doubt"
6.1 also points out that Preliminary Tests are to be carried out in each different base material.

I would guess the point being missed is that over a number of years of developing testing proceedures for the industry there are now guide lines for all to follow thus attaining a systimatical and common set of results upon which to base the suitability of the anchor system chosen for, and or used on a job.



Extract from TG4:11

6.1 Preliminary Tests
These are to be carried out wherever there is any doubt about the suitability or recommended load capacity of proposed anchors for a particular base material, e.g. if there is no manufacturer’s recommended load data for the base material which is often the case with brickwork, stonework and timber. The approach is to test a series of 5 sample anchors to a load which demonstrates a satisfactory safety margin and thereby, if possible,
avoid testing fixings to failure. If any of these anchors fails to support the test load then, the results should be referred to the responsible designer who should consider the options outlined below.

Procedure
5 tests should be carried out in each different base material of the project. They should be carried out on sample anchors in the same base material but away from areas which will be used and must not be used in the job. The procedure is outlined in more detail in an Article on the CFA website[12].

Test load:
All anchor types except nylon anchors shall be loaded in tension to a load of 2 x the working load as applied to the anchor,

Nylon anchors should be tested to 3 x working load.

If all test anchors take the test load without slip then the anchor may be used in that base material for the proposed working load. Should any anchor fail to meet the required test load then that fact should be referred back to the person responsible for the anchorage design of the project.

Possible courses of action to consider:
(a) use an anchor of the same type but with a deeper embedment depth*
(b) use an anchor of the same type but with a larger diameter*
(c) use a different type of anchor*
(d) redesign the scaffold to reduce the loadings while remaining within the criteria of TG20.
(e) use the original anchor specification but with an allowable load derived from further tests as below:
*For any solution (a) – (c) a new series of preliminary tests must be carried out.
Procedure for option (e) using the same anchor with reduced loads:
— For each anchor in the original series of tests which held the test load take each carefully to failure.

— Determine the allowable load from the lowest of the following values:
For all except nylon anchors
• the average failure load** ÷ 3
or
• the lowest failure load** ÷ 2
For nylon anchors
• the average failure load** ÷ 5
or
• the lowest failure load** ÷ 3
** Calculations are based on all 5 failure loads. The resulting allowable load may not be higher than the manufacturer’s recommended load in similar or stronger base materials.
The failure load is taken as the maximum load reached during the test or the load at approximately 1mm movement in the case where an anchor pulls out of the base material.
Note: Allowable loads determined from tests on one job should never be considered suitable for the design of another job unless the base material is known to be identical.
The new “Allowable load” must then be made known to the designer who should decide on the best course of action.
Depending on the proposed anchor type it may be possible to retain the same number of ties while doubling the fixings per tie by, e.g. changing from a tie using one fixing to a tie that uses two – in this case the manufacturer’s recommendations regarding anchor centre spacings should be followed. Or the scaffold may be redesigned for a reduced working load (no greater than the Allowable Load just determined) being transferred through the same number of ties while remaining within the criteria of TG20.
When brickwork or stonework is weak then a secondary means of restraint should be considered.


I hope this is of some help
regards
Alan
 
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Hello Alan
I understand the guidance and how to put in and test ties, but I can't agree that when you are erecting a small tower ie 3 lifts with 2 ties that you should have to put an additional 5 ties in just to confirm that the 2 needed ties are satisfactory. The building front would look like something from the Gaza Strip!
 
Hi Baxter
I draw your attention to the first line again "wherever there is any doubt about the suitability "

If you have no doubts then you need not perform the Prelim test.
However if you have doubts you should!!
regards
Alan
 
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Pull Test Form

Good afternoon fellas,

Is there such a thing as an anchor testing results form? and if so where can I find one?

Thanks in advance!
 
Just make up your own using excel, shouldn't be too difficult.
 
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