Sway Braces/ Facade bracing

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Whats the law on them these days as everyone seems to do them there own way?
I personally do a 10ft every 5th bay on 2m lifts dog legged all the way up.
Easily done on your own,does the job and looks tidy.
Does the the law now state it has to cover 3 bays?
If so how do you do an 8 ft tower?
No one would put 3 sets of standards in one!
To me large sway braces are a accident waiting to happen holding and doing up a 16' or 21' yourself just so it covers the 3 bays IS NOT A SAFE WAY OF WORKING.
Never been one for jumping up and down lifts to fix 21' sway braces, not only is it poxy your missing your sway brace every other lift till you get the lift in above it to fix the top of it.
This especially being the case if your 2 handed!
Whats your thoughts? and what is the current law? Cheers
 
the powers that be now say you should brace across two bays,,,all very well if your bays are square it picks up two lifts dog legged..
 
There are no 'laws' on façade bracing mate - Just guidance.

TG20:08 recommends face bracing fixed at intervals of 6 bays, covering 3 standards (unless it's a 4 standard tower, obviously).

So, you shouldn't need to use 21's unless you've got standard spacings of 2.7m - which is highly unlikely.

If you're struggling to put a 16' tube in then you can use 2 tubes sleeved and spliced together with load-bearing fittings.
 
phil181 said:
There are no 'laws' on façade bracing mate - Just guidance.

TG20:08 recommends face bracing fixed at intervals of 6 bays, covering 3 standards (unless it's a 4 standard tower, obviously).

So, you shouldn't need to use 21's unless you've got standard spacings of 2.7m - which is highly unlikely.

If you're struggling to put a 16' tube in then you can use 2 tubes sleeved and spliced together with load-bearing fittings.
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Not a case of struggling, more a case of safer way of working and more practical.
A 16' sway brace accross two bays on a 2m lift is flatter than Victoria Beckhams stomach!
Is a sway brace not supposed to be a 45 degrees???

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Phil by using 21's as a sway brace i ment say the bottom fixed to the floor then top to two bays across two lifts up then returned back two bays up another two lifts.

As said i never have done them this way, but many do which gives you no fixed point to run your ledgers off every other lift if that makes sence?
Not to mention getting back down to do up the bottoms aall the time.
 
ERECTION SPECIALIST said:
Not a case of struggling, more a case of safer way of working and more practical.
A 16' sway brace accross two bays on a 2m lift is flatter than Victoria Beckhams stomach!
Is a sway brace not supposed to be a 45 degrees???
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Well yeah I know what you're saying mate - although the 45° is not set in stone - More a mark to aim for.

You can have a continuous sway brace as long as you splice the joints again and start a new set at the base of every 6th bay.
 
Sure " best practice is 2 bays, I do 1 bay doglegged, but then a plan brace every 4 lifts, towers dogleg all round, plan brace on bottom lift, then every other and under working lift... on independants sway bracing every 10m... sure thats about right :confused:
 
deb said:
Sure " best practice is 2 bays, I do 1 bay doglegged, but then a plan brace every 4 lifts, towers dogleg all round, plan brace on bottom lift, then every other and under working lift... on independants sway bracing every 10m... sure thats about right :confused:
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I'm thinking you might not be on price Deb?
 
deb said:
Sure " best practice is 2 bays, I do 1 bay doglegged, but then a plan brace every 4 lifts, towers dogleg all round, plan brace on bottom lift, then every other and under working lift... on independants sway bracing every 10m... sure thats about right :confused:
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Dont wanna be plan bracing 2m lifts though when your tall,especially if its a long run lol think of all the extra tube
 
best thing you can do mate is have a look at Tg20:08 , it shows all the recommended ways accepted for bracing.
 
Whichever way you do it the brace should connect within 300mm of the node point.
 
brandy said:
Whichever way you do it the brace should connect within 300mm of the node point.
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problem you have is, if the scaffold is fully boarded as most are these days.
your swivel for your brace is right under your double on the lift (the node) as tight as you can get it.
Time you add 2 inches for Transom 1 1/2 inches for board then 9 inches for toeboard plus the clip you cannot get the return swivel for the next sway brace within the 300mm 12 inches limit!

Only way round it would be starting you sway braces under the lift which is bull ****!
 
ERECTION SPECIALIST said:
problem you have is, if the scaffold is fully boarded as most are these days.
your swivel for your brace is right under your double on the lift (the node) as tight as you can get it.
Time you add 2 inches for Transom 1 1/2 inches for board then 9 inches for toeboard plus the clip you cannot get the return swivel for the next sway brace within the 300mm 12 inches limit!

Only way round it would be starting you sway braces under the lift which is bull ****!
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another wind up gobshite
 
i mind the days when we just ran a hundred foot sway no splices all change now i personally go over 3standards on 2m lifts now dogged legged you may not get the optimum angle but its the preferred way now best of bracing bhoys.
 
Erection specialist, where did you get that name, have you never heard of connecting the brace off the tranny on doubles, When you ask someone for advice and they give an answer you should'nt be so fcuking ignorant.
 
take the sway/wind brace off the trannies with D/H---SGB rule OK :cool:

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brandy M8---yi beat me ti the punch again PMSL ;)
 
brandy said:
Erection specialist, where did you get that name, have you never heard of connecting the brace off the tranny on doubles, When you ask someone for advice and they give an answer you should'nt be so fcuking ignorant.
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Connect off a tranny thats on clips???
Surely the only time you do this is a hoist tower when everything is on doubles
Hardly advise when you called a gobshite for stating a fact!
 
clips eek

SGB D/H are rated at a ball hair lower that a B&P or a Double Coupler---a wrap over single coupler is also rated at a ball hair below a double Coupler---they are the only one bolted Load Bearing Fittings.
 
Garry Adams said:
clips eek

SGB D/H are rated at a ball hair lower that a B&P or a Double Coupler---a wrap over single coupler is also rated at a ball hair below a double Coupler---they are the only one bolted Load Bearing Fittings.
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a ball hair below a load bearing fitting but the fact is a single is not load bearing so you shouldn't be putting sway braces off a transom supported by them!
 
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