supervisour course,

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hi guys ,


interested in doing my supervisours course , priced it up £750 plus vat , so gonna work out about £900,

been told you can do your i o s h , nebosh card and apply for it that way , any one know for sure??

thanks for any advice !!!
 
me too!

I'd be interested to know this, im just sitting the IOSH - managing safely now and ive just done the supervisors touch screen test; so if you could get a supervisors card from these two i would be well happy!

i think safety and access in Notts does the supervisors course for £500 (i think!!!)
 
Yeah mate you can, but it wont go on your card till you have done the supervisor stuff.
 
The cheapest option for a recognised supervisor qualification is the CCSNG safety passport, its a one day course if you already all ready have a safety passport. Even if you do the two day safety passport plus the one day supervisor add on it still works out far cheaper than the CISRS version with the added bonus of a safety passport to your CV.

It fills all the criteria of a recognised Supervisor qualification as required by the UK Contractors group. http://www.ukcg.org.uk/uploads/media/UKCG_press_release_on_Supervisor_Training_Standards.pdf
 
http://www.ccnsg.com/ccnsg-safety-passport-courses/ccnsg-national-course/

http://www.ccnsg.com/ccnsg-safety-passport-courses/ccnsg-supervisor-course/

If you shop around you can get both courses for under £300 you can search fo a local CCSNG training provider and compare prices here courses, training, vocational skills, degrees, postgraduate study - emagister.co.uk its worth shopping around as there is a lot of variation in price. Some providers will even price match their competitors so don't be afraid to ask when booking.
 
supervisours card, thats the black one yes? just rang c s c s , they said can,t do it until pass level four n v q , ? then tried to talk to c i s r s , the woman said the highest card they o in scaffolding is the gold card, advanced ,

any advice on this would be great as going round in circles here,

thanks
 
supervisours card, thats the black one yes? just rang c s c s , they said can,t do it until pass level four n v q , ? then tried to talk to c i s r s , the woman said the highest card they o in scaffolding is the gold card, advanced ,

any advice on this would be great as going round in circles here,

thanks

Mine is purple......NVQ level 2 and advanced course are stated on the back. Same as my basic scaffolder card but purple and says site supervisor not basic scaffolder. Obtained this with SSSTS, supervisor touch screen then re-apllied to CISRS for my card and thats what came back. Hope this is some help
 
Black is a managers card , you need to do the 5 day site managers course (SMSTS) or the IOSH managing safety and complete a portfolio to achieve NVQ level 4.
 
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Black is a managers card , you need to do the 5 day site managers course (SMSTS) or the IOSH managing safety and complete a portfolio to achieve NVQ level 4.

That is true. But to avoid any confusion the black card is a CSCS construction industry contracts managers card. It's not scaffolding specific.

CISRS Advanced scaffolder & CISRS scaffolding supervisor (both sh1te courses)
are both gold cards, although I believe the CISRS have plans for a 'managers course'. No idea what colour card you'd get with that....

Leopard print, maybe?
 
My supervisor’s card is in the bin, not worth the plastic it is printed on, scaffold drivers, polish (so call) scaffolders, on the same coures as lads with advance cards who have been in the game for 20 to 30 years.
I am all for lads coming up the ranks but come on polish worker, drivers, now scaffold supervisor!!!
 
My supervisor’s card is in the bin, not worth the plastic it is printed on, scaffold drivers, polish (so call) scaffolders, on the same coures as lads with advance cards who have been in the game for 20 to 30 years.
I am all for lads coming up the ranks but come on polish worker, drivers, now scaffold supervisor!!!

I agree the CISRS supervisors card is not worth a toss , only pre course criteria is a CSCS touch screen test at supervisor level which ironically is the only part that gives the course credibility.

What needs to be remembered is all these supervisor courses SSSTS, CISRS, CCSNG are only Health and Safety qualifications. There is no substitute for the experience and actual job knowledge that is needed to run a squad of 20 or so scaffs on a industrial plant or construction site.

Its takes a special skill set to man manage a large scaffold team, something that can not be taught in a classroom.
 
My supervisor’s card is in the bin, not worth the plastic it is printed on, scaffold drivers, polish (so call) scaffolders, on the same coures as lads with advance cards who have been in the game for 20 to 30 years.
I am all for lads coming up the ranks but come on polish worker, drivers, now scaffold supervisor!!!

Mate, everyone is a 'supervisor' these days.

Having an SSSTS is no great shakes, so don't let if bother you.
 
I only did the cisrs course cause I got it for nowt and I agree supervision comes with experience , I wouldn`t take kindly to someone barking orders at me just becuase they have one of these cards , any knucklebrain can do it even non scaffs .
 
supervisor course[/B][/B]I agree that the whole course is a waste of a week,out of 9 in the room only 3 were supervisors and only one other knew what he was talking about.
The course is based around RAMS and only mentions other area's that are involved in the job of being a supervisor . The course should require a non-reversable test for entry so that only people in the industry would have a chance. Then the superviser card would have a bit of credibilty (I have been required to produce it a few times though !)
 
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I did my supervisors course 2 years a go and thought it worth while not everyone on the course where scaffolders but it didn't hold anyone up like it does when doing your ticket. It's all theory and inspections which although is quite tedious its going to be worth while to a few people learning the ropes.
You can do your touch screen before the course I think they asked us to it ready for the course.

For anyone who done the course at bircham newton it was the three amigos quote wasn't it.
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yes mine is gold cisrs you do the touch screen first then the weeks course the passport one is no good to work in london unless you are only doing power station work
 
yes mine is gold cisrs you do the touch screen first then the weeks course the passport one is no good to work in london unless you are only doing power station work

Who is telling you the CCSNG supervisor is no good for London ?::UK Contractors Group (UKCG): Home::
which includes all the major players will not endorse one particular supervisor health and safety qualification only setting out a standard which the CCSNG (supervisor) fits along with the CISRS version, IOSH supervising safety and the SSSTS.

UKCG introduces a Supervisor Training Standard

With effect from 1 January 2010, UKCG member companies will adopt a new supervisor
training standard to ensure that supervisors working on their sites can demonstrate that
they have the necessary knowledge and skills to supervise their workers effectively. A
copy of the standard is attached.
Speaking about this initiative, Stephen Ratcliffe, Director of UKCG said: “UKCG has
identified the need to tighten up the competence of supervisors to help improve health
and safety performance. This standard is the means by which members will tackle the
issue. There are a number of training courses available that will deliver training to the
standard. However, it is not our intention to recognise or accredit particular courses.
It
will be down to individual members to decide on appropriate training. What we have
done today is announce a common standard which all our members will adopt.”
Notes for editors
The UK Contractors Group (UKCG) represents 29 leading contractors operating in the
UK on construction specific issues. Its mission is to represent contractors’ interests to
government and key clients and to encourage contractors to work together to promote
change and best practice, especially on health and safety and environmental issues.
UKCG also works closely with the CBI Construction Council to ensure that contractors’
interests are properly reflected in the wider business agenda. UKCG Supervisor Training Standard
Purpose
With effect from 1 January 2010, UKCG member companies require that ALL
supervisors working on their sites can demonstrate that they have the necessary
knowledge and skills to supervise their workers effectively. This is essential if they are to
ensure those workers carry out their tasks safely and with due regard to health.
Scope
This standard is intended to apply to all civils, construction and engineering services
activities.
For the purpose of this Standard supervisors are defined as those persons directly
supervising work activities. They are the front line supervisors with direct responsibility
for putting people to work and who will typically brief their workers on how to carry out
their work and ensure that they are carrying out their work safely.
The training standard
Supervisors must have the ability to demonstrate that they have satisfied the following
two key criteria:-
FIRSTLY – That they have sufficient knowledge of health and safety gained at a
construction specific course of at least two days duration. The course content must
include the following as a minimum requirement:
• The role of the supervisor
• Health and safety law and enforcement
• Safety systems of work
o Hazard identification
o Risk assessment
o Method statement
o Principles of prevention
o Special considerations • Health and safety management
o Safety policies
o Measuring performance
o Permit systems
• Occupational health
o Noise
o Vibration
o Asbestos
o Drugs and alcohol
o Dermatitis
o Asthma
o Health monitoring
• Fire prevention, control and other emergencies
o Anatomy of fire
o Types of fire
o Fire prevention (fire plan)
o Raising the alarm and escape
o Regulatory Reform (Fire Order) 2006
o Fire fighting
o Other emergencies
• Hazardous substances
o Five principles
o Hierarchy of COSHH assessment
• Control of substances hazardous to health (COSHH)
o COSHH symbols
o Protecting the work
o Harmful substances
• Risk assessment and method statements
• Construction (Design Management) Regulations (CDM)
o Regulations – part 1 to 5
o Notification
o Dutyholders
o Competence
o Duties relating to health and safety on construction sites
o Welfare
• Working at Height
o Exploring Working at heights best practice
o Working at heights regulations
• Personal Protective equipment (PPE)
o Definition of PPE, maintenance, compatibility, suitability
o Information, instruction and training
o Importance of provision of a demonstrable method of recognising
supervisors on site
• Manual Handling
o Definition of manual handling
o Manual handling operations regulations
o Manual handling assessment
o Information and training • Accidents and First aid
o Definition of accidents
o First aid
o Data protection
Courses must incorporate a form of testing and training providers must issue a certificate
stating whether or not the delegate has passed the examination.
SECONDLY – That they have sufficient skills to be an effective supervisor of their
workers. They will need to demonstrate having attended training which includes an
understanding of behavioural issues, leadership and effective intervention skills. This
training must include delivering effective presentations (e.g. tool box talks), role-play,
have a form of testing, and successful candidates must be issued with a certificate to
demonstrate a suitable standard has been achieved.
Guidance notes
Employers are free to choose how, and from where, training is sourced and delivered.
UKCG does not intend to issue a definitive list of recognised courses. The final arbiter of
whether a course is suitable will be the Principal Contractor.

1. Existing courses (often used to satisfy client requirements) may be adapted to
meet the above required criteria.
2. Holders of a recognised health and safety course certificate which does not match
the above criteria can attend a suitable top-up module to allow full compliance to
be achieved.
3. Supervisors from organisations who are running internal courses which meet the
required criteria and can provide a pass certificate will be accepted on site.
4. Supervisors from specialist trades should either:
• possess a pass certificate for a suitable alternative supervisors training course
recognised by their trade association OR
• have a level of training recognised by their trade association as being
appropriate for the supervision of personnel OR
• hold a pass certificate for a course which satisfies the criteria specified above
5. UKCG will require an identified supervisor for all sizes of work gang. The ratio of
supervisors to workers on a site will be determined on the basis of risk
assessment and shall be determined by the employer in conjunction with the
Principal Contractor.
6. UKCG will require all non English speaking workers to be supervised by a
supervisor who is able to communicate effectively with them. The ratio of
supervisors to workers on a site will be determined on the basis of risk assessment and shall be determined by the employer in conjunction with the
Principal Contractor.
 
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