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Hi all,

My first post on here so please bare with me.

Can someone please explain to me in layman terms, how to get a permit now for on road jobs. I know the law has changed but do you have to have a part 2 ticket and full scaffold card to apply for the permit now, or is there another way?

Thanks
 
Do you mean a council permit to build on the public highway i.e. A busy high street?
The customer that wants the job erected should be applying for the permit.
 
Yes sorry I did mean on the highway. But when the customer applies for it, does a level 2 with a scaffold card have to sign it our end? Or can I deal with it all.
 
It does vary from council to council , but the customer would normally apply for it . then the council will tell them what they require in term of scaffolding, double boards , fans netting etc etc.
you then erect the job and hand it over to your customer , but like i said it does vary some councils insist the scaffold company apply and that they have 10 million Public liability insurance.
I have never been asked to produce training cards by any council.
 
The scaffolding firm have to apply here in Staffs and we have to be on the councils approved contractors list with an up to date copy of our insurances and also copies for their records of our guys scaffolding CISRS cards to show competence!
 
Council will tell you what they require regards to safety on the finished scaffold.
It is up to you or your company to comply with current legislation regards trained operatives and safe systems of work
 
Much the same experiance with us - with big jobs we make the main contractor apply due to the fees & retainer they may want eg last time with westminster they wanted a large deposit as well as the weekly rental fee which was returnable if no remedial works due to scaffold on the footpath were required. We would then erect to their critea such as distance from the kerbline etc but the main thing most councils require is 10mil PLI.
with smaller private jobs in my experiance councils wont deal with the home owner as they are unlikely to have PLI
fees also vary vastly for both time & the size of job to the ammount of stds on the pavement so allways contact the council first b4 giving ur client a guesstimate as you may be surprised at the cost
 
By law do you have to have public liability to put up house fronts
 
FYI I copied and pasted this from a legal information website - all acknowledgment to 'Keystone Law' for the info.

Public liability: Public liability insurance is not a legal requirement but it is good business practice. This policy covers your business in the event of claims brought against you by other people (not your employees) for injuries or property damage caused in consequence of your business activities. Having cover is a prerequisite of working for a local authority.

Employer’s liability: It is compulsory to have employer’s liability insurance in all but exceptional circumstances. The Employers’ Liability (Compulsory Insurance) Act 1969 requires employers to have at least £5 million of cover (more depending on the business activity). Most insurance companies provide £10 million of employers’ liability as standard.
 
Ok cheers do any off yous know what sort off load you can get on a half back?
 
Depends on the size lol but most half backs will only have a weight limit if 1.5t
 
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What sort off job can you get on that a pal recons you can get a 20 by 40
 
No way can you get 8 square in a half back legally , there is around 40 X 21s alone and that is you loaded weight wise
 
He recons you get a 16 ft half back so u only have to put longs on top he said 25long just use for legers and hand rail 16 16ft tube 5 13ft tube 10 10ft tube 25 8ft tube 80 5ft tube 30 13ft boards 25 8ft boards 160 double 160 clips 40 sleeves 20 swivels 2 2lift ladders 2lift ladders 10 4ft boards, any1 ever put that on a half back
 
A while ago someone put a load list checker based on an excell speadsheet have a look around u may find it by using the search bar however-
As a rule of thumb 33 x 21'tube is a ton & 50x 13'brds is a ton -brakw that load down pal & ur well over weight get stopped once & ur lookin @ 1k fine min plus on vosa radar so get stopped again & its 5k & lose ur licence - dont think it'd be worth the risk tbh
 
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southernpoofter said:
A while ago someone put a load list checker based on an excell speadsheet have a look around u may find it by using the search bar however-
As a rule of thumb 33 x 21'tube is a ton & 50x 13'brds is a ton -brakw that load down pal & ur well over weight get stopped once & ur lookin @ 1k fine min plus on vosa radar so get stopped again & its 5k & lose ur licence - dont think it'd be worth the risk tbh
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Neilb posted this a while ago.

http://www.scaffoldersforum.com/scaffolders-forum/15829-vehicle-loading.html
 
Dont forget 3 scaffs is also best part of 300kg and vosa do make them sit in it when weighed. i ran out of pick ups for 8 years but when we got caught heavy it was a 4k fine. Me personally wouldnt use pick ups anymore if it could be helped. even 7.5's are struggling these days. 12-14 tonners are perfect

oh and vosa fine the driver and then the company seperate so it can be 10k
 
That comes to 3.25 tonne without your ladders and lads tools etc in cab ,
So he is over 100% overloaded
 
Thats double the mwl for the that vechile then lol sounds like a 5k fine to me
 
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