Inspections, So many different versions

[mightymouse]

My understanding is, right or wrong, if your qualified to erect it, your qualified to inspect it.
Why do so many people say, you need an inspection ticket no matter what.
And I'm only talking about what the law requires, not the client, not you next for neighbour, only the law.

This is what the HSE say, and the say nothing about inspection tickets,
After 7 das, inspections must be by inspector nothing, so why do so many people get it wrong.

All scaffolding inspection should be carried out by a competent person whose combination of knowledge, training and experience is appropriate for the type and complexity of the scaffold he is inspecting. Competence may have been assessed under The Construction Industry Scaffolders Registration Scheme (CISRS) or an individual may be suitably experienced in scaffolding work and have received additional training under a recognised manufacturer/supplier scheme for the specific configuration he is inspecting.

A non-scaffolder who has attended a suitable scaffold inspection course and has the necessary background experience would be considered competent to inspect a basic scaffold (ie a site manager).

 

[Bobbysupascaff]

It might be daft Jon but maybe it's because the inspection card ( especially the advanced one ) is very well advertised it's always in ppls mind so when a firm go in for jobs the client I would assume would say they must have that ticket etc if you know where I'm coming from mate

I'm with you entirely with the fact if your able to erect then your able to inspect it

Another reason Jon that might come into play ( again may seem daft but logical in my eyes ) someone this week on here said that in his course he had about 3 scaffolders as opposed to 9 non scaffs in the classroom it would seem they are looking outside the circle for ppl to inspect scaffolds maybe because they don't want scaffolders inspecting there own scaffold for the obvious reason ( well your not going to find faults in your own scaffolds or your mates on. The same firm etc ) a case of bias perhaps?

Again Jon might be a bit far fetched what I've said but that's always been my opinion of inspections/inspectors

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Sorry Jon just read your post again it's a common misinterpretation that ppl think it is law that's what I was getting at lol ( got there in the end lol )

 

[SWIFTY]

If you've got the card to erect it you've got the card to inspect it too. End of.

 

[southernpoofter]

Its not just that bobby tbh the clients are trying to cover their arses under the wah & cdm regs while at the same time keeping the costs down...& while I understand the thought that it could be a conflict of interest to have the same scaffolder inspect the structure they had allready inspected surely its the same as having the site agent inspect his own site - personally I think the whole systems a farce when it takes a scaffolder several years & courses to achive an advanced status but a non scaffolder can in 3 days gain the competence to inspect it....I've always been of the belief that in order to inspect a structure u must have the knowledge, understanding & qualification to of at first erected it

 

[Bobbysupascaff]

Farce is the correct word daz

 

[mightymouse]

Knowledge, training & experience are the key words!!!!
But that's left open to interpretation surely, as it does not actually say in black and white.

 

[Bobbysupascaff]

It's a proper catch 22 mate which will only lead to interpretation and speculation your right so it would seem to do as the client asks until it's black and white

Just out of interest if a client requests an inspector ie with the card where would it be documented in the package or Rams etc

 

[southernpoofter]

No the words should change- which I beleave they will in the next tg20:18 re write from competent to "qualifield"....that'll sort out all these 2 & 3 day wannabes lol

 

[stonedrose1]

Qualified doesn't always equate to competent though, in my experience.
How many part two's that have fast tracked themselves through that have 'all the gear and no idea' have we all come across?

 

[Bobbysupascaff]

Qualified equates to arse covering and yep spot on it doesn't mean jack in many a "scaffolder"

It's annoying that it's only a 2 day course because I done an asbestos awareness and I've completely forgot it all the point I'm making is for the ones that ain't scaffolders unless they go straight into an inspectors role it's conceivable that when they do inspect a scaffold they probably have forgotten most of it as well if that makes sense

 

[SWIFTY]

Qualified equates to arse covering and yep spot on it doesn't mean jack in many a "scaffolder"

It's annoying that it's only a 2 day course because I done an asbestos awareness and I've completely forgot it all the point I'm making is for the ones that ain't scaffolders unless they go straight into an inspectors role it's conceivable that when they do inspect a scaffold they probably have forgotten most of it as well if that makes sense

Keep safe Bob:worried::worried:

 

[Bobbysupascaff]

My nose is usually blocked up anyway russ no chance of breathing it in lol

 

[mightymouse]

All the gear you ram up it lol

 

[Bobbysupascaff]

All the gear you ram up it lol

Yep got it in one broke a tube over the handrail and ramed it in to my nose your correct mate......


:laugh::laugh:

Having said that tea total at the moment Jon only because you didn't meet me for (quick) pint on Friday......... Very perceptive of you lol

 

[Garry Adams]

@ mighty mouse…I agree will all your comments, indeed, and this is only my personal view, (although others would agree) the Whole CITB, CISIRS may benefit from a total revamp…as for Inspections…with the onset of NASC TG, Design Drawings and Compliance Sheets, these provisions allows Non-Scaffold Erectors ( Site Managers ect…) to cross reference the Scaffold Structure with the Working Drawing, however, as we Scaffolders know there is a lot more to a visual and more robust Inspection than merely cross referencing...

 

[rc22]

I just sign all the tags and my excuse is "it was okay when I inspected it"

 

[mightymouse]

You never rang

 

[Bobbysupascaff]

You never rang

Yeah I know now lol sent pm tho I'll do it the normal way not try and be super cool and flash and PM :laugh:

 

[southernpoofter]

Thats all very well gary & ur right lol but ive had so called inspectors look at a punchin &; attempt to berate me cos the fittings are upside down but arnt in the tg booklet pic...wtf you try explai ing to a complete numpty why we do things a certain way & the answers always the same "I wasnt informed of that in my 2day inspection course" tbh it makes me wanna scream at em to do my job for 20years & then try & tell me its wrong :-(

 

[Garry Adams]

@ Southern…as I eluded too there is a lot more to Inspections than cross referencing Working Drawings…many of the techniques used by Scaffolders are totally alien to the un-initiated…for example as you cited, the (Non-Scaffolder Inspector) would perceive that the double on a puncheon was upside down, because he has been taught that a puncheon or indeed a drop tube can be applied with the facing upward, however, he may not know that the preferred mode of application for a Scaffolder is cup facing down, therefore his lack of experiance gives him away right way...