Gemini gone into administrations

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I work for Gemini Riteway and got a letter this morning from accounts legal company that im now out of a job :sad2: as they are now in administration

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Here is letter in brief

Accura Accountants Business Recovery Solutions.
Im writing to advise you that i was appointed Administrator of the company on 5th oct 2012. I regret to inform you that the company is no longer in a position to make payments to you for services rendered under your contract of employment. YOU SHOULD THEREFORE REGARD YOUR EMPLOYMENT AS TERMINATED AS OF TODAY. Your P45 will be with you soon.
 
Heard this was gonna happen during the week , i did email another forum member but never heard back

Ol well
 
Right way

I did work for a firm called Blacknolls they used Gemini and us but dropped me . I hope Gemini get all money's owed because I know a good address to find a a boss !!!
 
I dont moderate anything swifty
 
R they not just opening under another name on Monday?? (ANT) I heard getting rid of 'dead wood' nd who they wanna keep will be self employed!?!?
 
Thought there was an ANT up that way already
 
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Sunday, October 7, 2012 - 17:33Home
Don't rely on others
Posted: 09 August 2012
Issue: Vol 170, Issue 4366
Categories: Tax cases, News, Taxable Supplies, VAT

Gemini Riteway Scaffolding Ltd (TC2053)

The taxpayer company was subcontracted to provide scaffolding for halls of residence at two universities. Haymills and Leadbitters were the main contractors.
In December 2007, HMRC visited the taxpayer and found it had not accounted for VAT on supplies made to the contractors, because neither had included VAT in the self-billed invoices they issued retrospectively to the subcontractor.
The VAT officer advised the taxpayer that, although the hire of scaffolding must be standard rated, supplies of erection and dismantling of scaffolding should be zero rated when the project was the construction of a university hall of residence. A fair and reasonable apportionment was required.
The advice was incorrect: under VATA 1994, Sch 8 group 5, zero rating only applies where such services are supplied ‘in the course of construction’. Only the main contractor makes supplies in the course of construction, a subcontractor does not and, as a matter of law, all its supplies should be standard rated.
The VAT officer suggested the taxpayer submit VAT-only invoices to the contractors, which it did, and passed on the VAT to the Revenue.
The officer then became aware of the error of his guidance regarding the zero rating of elements of the scaffolding, and realised VAT was due on erection and dismantling.
The tax was obtained from one contractor and paid to HMRC, but the other contractor had by this time gone into administration, meaning the taxpayer was unable to collect the extra tax through a VAT-only invoice.
HMRC said the VAT remained due and the taxpayer company was responsible for payment. The firm appealed.
The First-tier Tribunal sympathised with the business's predicament but said the problem originated from the taxpayer accepting incorrect self-billing.
Had one contractor not gone into administration, the VAT may well have been obtained, but this reason was not sufficient for HMRC to operate VATA 1994, s 29 and pursue the contractor, rather than the subcontractor, for the outstanding tax. The taxpayer should pay the VAT due.
The tribunal judge suggested it may be appropriate for the Revenue to take into account its officer’s incorrect advice concerning zero rating if the department decided to charge interest or penalties.
The taxpayer’s appeal was dismissed.
Independent VAT consultant Neil Warren pointed out two learning points from the case. First, ‘a supplier has the responsibility for getting the VAT liability right on all its income sources. It is not acceptable to rely on a customer, even where the customer is raising a self-billed invoice.’
Second, ‘in the case of a new charitable building, such as a church or new building for a relevant residential purpose, it is only the services of a main contractor that are zero rated, not those of subcontractors working for the main contractor’.
 
Great post Tim, should finally put to bed any doubt about charging vat for scaffold on a new build, well done.
 
i dont know if that was the demise of gemeni but it was in september ....
i find it hard to believe with their diversified operations
construction , film , shipyards abroad , oil bits and pieces in the middle east it has all gone pop together .....

tony taylor would have been shrewd and prepared for this im sure ......
its a shame as they employ a lot of people but it shows how things can happen even for a long established firm like them.

also shows when you see an 11 reg gemeni van cruise past you and think " they must be doing well " you can be wrong
 
Things are not as good as people think,heard ROTOR scaffolding are selling up and there owned by Bob Whincap chairman of the NASC.
 
Feel sorry for Gemini on this, the VAT office's contempt is discraceful :mad:

Ask them for advice, what a waste of time

Feck it, I'm charging it on everything now, let the client claim it back :weird:
 
Any chance you could tell me any current sites Ive got kit out??

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Any chance you could give me a heads up on any live sites Ive got kit out?

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Do you have a list of active sites?Ive got kit out
 
Feel sorry for Gemini on this, the VAT office's contempt is discraceful :mad:

Ask them for advice, what a waste of time

Feck it, I'm charging it on everything now, let the client claim it back :weird:

When I first registered they would answer any queerie through their web site given enough time. It was them that told me to split the vatable content any way I saw fit on new builds, I just had to be prepared to justify it should ever they ask. I decided to shut my mouth and let everyone else claim it back if they could and now I am glad I did. It appears very different now though, any time I have approached them with a question or clarification on anything they refer me to the hand book. About as helpful as an ashtray on a motorbike, they are no different from any other government agency, only happy when they are collecting the cash but don't want to work too hard to get it.

Just charge it all out at 100%, end off.
 
ANT Structures Ltd - is the new firm
 
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