can training providers be prosecuted

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did a job on a barristers rentboy dungeon and put it to him that they arent informing part 2 lads that they werent allowed to pull test their own scaffolds and other failings,

turns out their is a place in law and duty of care they should be providing,and making sure the guidance/regulations they are teaching are up to a decent standard,EVEN IF they didnt make the rules themselves

so you cant just suck the life out of funding you parasites

anyone with tie failures on a part 2 card should take their training provider to court for incompetancy,in result of injury or death can go criminal aswell as civil

made my day that,one up for the working man !
 
Anyone that is trained and competent can carry out pull tests , I think you have been mis informed
 
joebag said:
no im not,a part 2 cannot do a pull test unless seperately trained
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Thats what I said, anyone can can carry out pull tests if they have been trained, anything goes wrong your employer will have to prove you are competent to carry out the work. Could mean the difference between £300 in training or £100000s of thousands of pounds in fines/compensation. Why can people not see this :eek:
 
crossed wires mate,my point is they teach you as part of your course for example a independent say ten metres high ,with a tie pattern and specified ties,you are told when you are carded you are then allowed to erect these scaffolds and put these ties in when in reality without the pull test accreditation you are not,trainings flawed and contradictive,not fit for purpose
 
joebag said:
crossed wires mate,my point is they teach you as part of your course for example a independent say ten metres high ,with a tie pattern and specified ties,you are told when you are carded you are then allowed to erect these scaffolds and put these ties in when in reality without the pull test accreditation you are not,trainings flawed and contradictive,not fit for purpose
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Totally agree there Joe to a point, theres a difference between putting the ties in and then pull testing them. Its the same as inspecting scaffolds, you are trained to erect a scaffold the right way but you will need to be trained to check/inspect its been erected the right way.
 
Joebag once again it seems your trying to say something about a training centre but not tell the full storey ???? If I remember you contacted the centre and got it sort or not by the looks of it ?????
So I would say "tell the hole tail or shut up ?"
All employers have a duty of care to employees did you not no this ?
Schools have a duty of care to children but they cannot give everyone A* grades
 
I think Joe is highlighting one of the many failures in the CISRS training system no more no less.
 
i could come on here letting the people that hold us to such high standards off, its not personal,i find the whole system hypocritical and corrupt ,nasc csrs can claim wild stats and self serving safety concerns,i state a fact that part 2 lads arent covered for pull tests and your telling me to shut up,mindboggling
 
Joe you have a problem with a training centre not giving you a pull test cert ?
Please correct me if I have read this wrong but it doesn't say in any NASC doc or CITB that a part 2 should do a pull test as part of there job ????
If your drilling ties then you should be trained by a tie specialist company !! I have carried out many pull test and failed plenty before I have opened the box due to lads placing the ties in the wrong area ie middle of a brick!
So just to clear things up are you now saying tie test training should be part of a part 2 training course ???
 
Read the Health and Safety at Work act 1974.

Training providers do cover TG4:11

As XXianXX has previously stated you need to be trained in what you are using. The same thing applies under the PUWER regulations.

If your wanting to use a hydrajaws pull tester then you must be trained by them.
If you use a Hilti pull tester then you need training in that tool also.

So stop being a TOOL and get sum training.
 
Do hydrojaws not make the tester for hilti anyway?
 
This is getting a wee bit petty now.
I am impartial i see were joe is coming from but at the same time i was a part 1 erecting scaffolds i wasnt trained to and then went offshore as a part2 and proceeded to erect hangers willy nilly
like all things "safety" or "training" its when it suits and thats from both sides
 
Lots of part 2's erecting hangers, is that not part of the course?
 
jobandknock said:
This is getting a wee bit petty now.
I am impartial i see were joe is coming from but at the same time i was a part 1 erecting scaffolds i wasnt trained to and then went offshore as a part2 and proceeded to erect hangers willy nilly
like all things "safety" or "training" its when it suits and thats from both sides
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nope, traing centres don't put you to work that will be your supervision, you know if you have been trained you cant blame training centres.You cant blame safety or training , you can blame your supervision for not checking the training matrix
 
Are we not all tort and have it drilled into use everyday be it in a toolbox talks or just the manager / supervisor in the morning meeting.
Anyone can STOP the job
So joe why this big storey ?????
 
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